Women Getting Rich: Redefining Your Money Story with Shannah Game

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Kim:

I think that women can be monetarily rich. I think it's not as hard as we think it is.

Shanna Game:

It is not.

Kim:

Tell us exactly what we got to do. I'm calling this episode women getting rich. You know, because my guest today is a certified financial planner whose mission is to truly help you heal your relationship with money. And her new book drops today. And it's called unraveling your relationship with money. Ditch the money trauma so you can live the abundant life. And she's back on the pod for the second time. Everybody, please welcome Shannah Game.

Shanna Game:

Can you wake me up every morning that way?

Kim:

I'm your hype girl. I am your hype girl. Because I want to tell you, like, I love this book. I love this book and I love how we're talking about women getting rich. I think. I think 2020, it could not come out at a better time, right, Shannah? It's like everybody is ready for a new year, a new start, a new goals, new dreams. But everybody, especially after the last, like I would say 10 years, last decade we have had, I think everybody wanting to get rich, especially women. It.

Kim:

That's good. That's a good way to start out 2025.

Shanna Game:

Call it unapologetic wealth, which I think is. Is really important for women, right? Like to just stand, you know, picture yourself with. When I wrote this book, I had this little kids cape that I bought that I would like, put on every time I sat down to write. And it's like gold and just shimmery. So think of like when you're building unapologetic wealth, it's like you're standing there, right, like Wonder Woman with your cape on and you're just going for it, right? There's no apologies.

Kim:

I grew up, you know, not with a crumb mentality, but save, save, save. Cheap, cheap, cheap. Don't spend, don't spend, don't spend. And now my whole idea of money has kind of changed. Now I always say, Shannah, that money comes easily and frequently to me. And ever since I started doing that and living from that mentality with the same foundational principles I was raised with, with saving, spending less, you know, finding a deal, it seems to. Has worked out a little bit better for me, especially in business.

Shanna Game:

I love that. You know, one of the stories I share in my book is we all have something called a money story, right? Which is. We do, yeah. The beliefs, the what we saw, what we didn't see, what we picked up from childhood, we all have this. And until we recognize it, we're kind of walking around and interacting with money in the same way. Right. So I share in the book that, you know, my mom was always the person. Even though we had money to pay full price for things, we would go shopping, we would go straight for the sale racks.

Shanna Game:

It was like, yeah, what was on clearance?

Shanna Game:

What could be a good deal? So in my adult life, I felt really guilty spending money on things that were full price. Like, I had this weird sense, like, it has to be on sale. And so I think for women, there's a lot of, like, deconditioning, like deprogramming so that we can, you know, really say that statement, like, women and wealth. I'm wealthy. You know, I'm growing my wealth and feel good about it.

Kim:

But is it rich or wealth relative?

Shanna Game:

Like, yes, like, it's 100% relative.

Kim:

Okay, all right.

Shanna Game:

So, like, yeah, you're bringing up, like such a really good point. Right, right. And I talk about, like, we have to define these things. So what is wealth to you? What is wealthy? What does that look like? And for some of us, it's a number. For some of it's just a way of life or, you know, where we want to live or the people we want to be around. It's funny, every time I. I do, I call it kind of bespoke money coaching for women. And every time that the first conversation I have with them is like, okay, tell me a little bit about your story.

Shanna Game:

And the first words are always something like, I'll never have enough, or my fear is, there will never be enough. Right. And so my kind of quip back is, okay, well, what does enough look like? Because until you know what that looks like, you're never going to have it. Right. You don't even know if you're pointed in the right direction.

Kim:

But isn't money just like. Like bitcoin? And all of a sudden, isn't it fake too?

Shanna Game:

Yeah, I mean, it was, it was made up, right? If we go.

Kim:

That's what I'm saying.

Shanna Game:

Yeah. Centuries and centuries and centuries ago, they needed a way to exchange goods and services for some sort of value. So this system was created out of someone's head. Right. And we have let it define things like our self worth.

Kim:

Yes.

Shanna Game:

And how we show up in the world and all of those sorts of things. But essentially it's. It's a tool. It's like a hammer. And we get to choose how to use it. And so if we look at it from a little different perspective, I think we can Start to kind of dismantle the emotions and the trauma and the fear and the shame and the judgment and all of that crap that we put on money. But, yeah, it's man made. It was made from scratch.

Kim:

You look at it from that almost from a ridiculous point of view. And I'm serious. Like, I started looking at money as being. This is not real. I'm putting so much value on this thing that is a piece of paper. So what is really a value here? And when I read your book, that's basically what you're saying, like, your wealth and your riches comes from what you value most, right?

Shanna Game:

Absolutely. And most of us don't stop to think about what we value most. And I think that's why a lot of us feel like this disconnection, like we're not living an authentic life. We're not able to show up of who we are because we're not doing that process of figuring out, these are the things that I value. So when we talk about money, there's a lot of shame around spending money on things that you like to do. Well, if those are the things that you value, if those are the things that make you feel human, maybe we should figure out a way to be able to afford those things. And maybe there's other stuff we can rework. Right.

Shanna Game:

So we don't need to spend as much on that, but we just. We're human. Like, we have to figure out how to do this human experience around money in a much gentler, accepting and open way where we're not, like, chastising ourselves and other people for how we're spending money.

Kim:

Yeah. And, you know, can I just say something? I don't know why more women are not rich from a wealth from a monetarily. Well, well, I'm serious. I mean, I want to talk about it. Because women make the world go round. Let's just keep it real. And 100% behind every very powerful, successful man who is wealthy, nine times out of 10, they're okay, so say that again louder. You know, there was a woman.

Kim:

What stops women from being rich? Because, I mean, I want to really deliver on that promise today to everybody listening, because I think that women can be monetarily rich. I think it's not as hard as we think it is.

Shanna Game:

It is not. But we've definitely had a system set up to keep us from that. So.

Kim:

So you. No. Okay. You really think the whole system has been set up to keep us from. Was it rigged for the men or was it. Is it. Was it really set up to keep us from. Or both.

Shanna Game:

It depends on how you look at that. Right. We could probably argue that from both directions there.

Kim:

Okay.

Shanna Game:

You know, I think that we were a society created around men earn the money, women are in the home. Which obviously served a function.

Kim:

No judgment, if that's still how we live.

Shanna Game:

Sure. And, you know, it really wasn't until the 70s and 80s when women could get loans for things, women could get credit cards. So we weren't even, we weren't even taught about money. You know, if we look back at like my grandmother's generation, your grandma's generation, there wasn't a sit down, chat about how to save, grow, invest your money. That just wasn't happening. So there was just this overall lack of education as well. And then we look at the pay inequality that is still happening for a large part between men and women for jobs, let alone anyone of color. And so I think there were just a lot of dominoes stacked up for women to not be able to grow as much wealth.

Shanna Game:

Now, of course, there are women who have done it, who have built wealth. And I think because women, we are, and this is not a negative thing, we are more emotional, we are more of feelers. And so when we talk about, like, relationship with money and we're talking about the emotions and all of those dynamics, I think we store a lot more of that inside of us and it becomes a block for us. Like we were saying at the beginning of this. Right. Like standing up and owning, I'm building wealth, like, this is what I'm doing. I'm giving myself a permission slip. This is okay.

Shanna Game:

I can do it just like anybody else. So I feel like we're starting to get in that place where women feel really confident doing that. But we have had our limitations. So I think it's just, it's so complex and so tricky to really unravel all of that.

Kim:

I don't think there's anybody that says, I don't want any more money. Okay, let's just. I mean, Shannah, I love people who take the high road and go, it's just not about the money. I mean, I, I'll take more money. Like I, I am right here. Hi, my name is Kim Gravel. I will take all the money you will give me. Okay.

Kim:

So. And I mean that. And like I said, I'm not ashamed of that or saying that. But for someone listening, how. What's the first step for a person listening to us right now? Let's say her name is Brenda. Okay, Brenda's. Listening. Shannah, what is the first step for Brenda becoming rich as a woman today? What, what can she do? What are some tangible things that she can start with to start really building and amassing that wealth?

Shannah Game:

There's lots of different things to focus on. I'm going to, I'm going to talk about an emotional thing and then a practical thing, right? Because I think the two of those things need to be paired together. And I think that's really the flaw of traditional money advice is that they don't put those two things together. From my experience, from my 20 year experience doing this, the emotional side, it's really understanding these beliefs, blocks, views of money that you've either carried from childhood or you've adopted, right? And how those are getting in the way. So when we talk about something like money trauma, I'm a trauma of money expert. We can think about things that, you know, maybe we were in a relationship and there was financial abuse, maybe we grew up in poverty, maybe we even just forgot to pay a bill and our credit score went down. And every time we look at our bank account app, we feel this bodily trauma sensation, right? Like our hands might get sweaty or, or failure, failure, mistakes, all of that, right? So we have to, I liken it to like, we're standing on one side of the bridge, we're trying to get the other side of bridge, and we just can't get there. We just can't get there.

Shanna Game:

And so we have to look at the emotions and we have to figure out what's going on there. So one of the exercises I like to suggest a lot is something I call financial forgiveness. And this is something accessible to everyone. Set a timer on your phone for 10 minutes. Get out a piece of paper. I want you to write down every thought, mistake, belief, everything that you can just get out of your head about money without judgment. Then I want you to step away from that paper for 24 hours. Come back, look at it with a fresh mind.

Shanna Game:

And then there's scientific studies to prove that this is the effective next step. I want you to get rid of it, shred it, burn it, tear it up, throw it away, I don't care. There is a process in our brains of getting something out on paper and letting this go. Now, does it change all of that? No. Right? But the beauty is, emotionally speaking, we can change the rules, we can set boundaries. So if you get so nervous looking at your bank statement, tell yourself, I'm giving myself two minutes. I'm going to look at this and then two Minutes, I'm going to walk away, right? We can create the structure that works for us. We can also redefine what things mean.

Shanna Game:

So a lot of us, you know, might have debt or shame from debt. We can flip that on its head. We can say, now, I don't like the debt, and I don't like where I'm at. However, the debt has put a roof over my head. It's paid for my kids, you know, school, right? We can change the whole definition and the whole emotion behind it. So from emotional standpoint, we can make the rules. We can change it all up. And that, to me, is super powerful.

Shanna Game:

Like, if you. If you think about it and you step into it from a practical standpoint, this is going to sound boring, but this is the best first step. Most of us don't know where we're spending our money. We have a general idea, right? So what I talk about in the book is I hate budgets, but I'm a big fan of something called a spending plan. And this is something more aspirational, right? We're talking about values. Where do I want to spend my money? Where do I want my money to go? I've got to give it this GPS system. I've got to give it direction, but I also got to really know where my money's going, because that's the only power I have over making intentional choices and of saying something like, you know what? I need a dopamine hit. I feel like I want to go out shopping.

Shanna Game:

But if I took that money, put it in my investment portfolio, you know, that's going to grow to $5,000 in 10, 15 years. Like, which choice do I want to make? So knowing where your money's going gives you power over deciding if you're okay with it or if you're not okay with it. And that is, I think, the most important step that's easily overlooked when we're talking about building wealth is you being, like, the conductor of where your mind.

Kim:

Is going, being educated in where you're spending. So is paying down debt the first step into advancing into being rich?

Shanna Game:

Not necessarily. So this is why money's so. Money's so tricky, right? I'm going to use an asterisk, mark, always. Because it depends on what you want. It depends on your, you know, your vision for your life. Right? Yes. High interest debt. I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

Shanna Game:

Not a good thing. But I could argue that maybe we take some of the money, pay down debt, and some of the money, we start growing your wealth. We start putting it in investments and things like that. So at the end of the day, it may take us a little bit longer to pay off the debt, but we're also growing our assets at the same time, right? So, you know, I tell people, like, look, if you're the type of person that you wake up in the middle of the night in sweats, anxiety, fear, because you got the credit card debt, get rid of it. If you're the type of person where you're like, you know what? I can manage that emotion. And, and I also understand that I've got to grow my money in order to build wealth. Let me try that approach, right? So it's. It's knowing yourself and figuring out what's just going to make you feel the best at the end of the day.

Kim:

I mean, I grew up with debt is the devil, and you have to pay down the debt and get rid of the debt. Get rid of the debt. But I'm also now as an entrepreneur and someone who is investing way more than I thought I ever would. I never thought I would be a person that would A, be investing in other companies or B, be investing in, you know, Roth IRAs, stuff for my children. How, you know, tax, you know, not shelters, but tax places that I can put my money, that is deferred tax. I mean, like, I never thought I would be that person. But y'all, as a woman who's 53, I'm that chick. I'm that girl.

Kim:

And I will tell you, there is such power and freedom in that, Shannah. I mean, there is such, like, I'm not even beginning to think about retirement because it's just getting good, girl. I mean, my 46 on has been my most profitable wealth building years. And so there's a lot of women listening to this who are over 50 thinking, I'm done, I'm through. I'm in retirement mode. I'm like, no, you're not, Sister Sledge. You're just beginning. And, you know, you said Dave Ramsey, you know, he's this no debt guy, right? And he's talking about build wealth.

Kim:

And there's an episode where you said that Dave Ramsey's retirement advice was terrible. So how do you feel about what he talks about debt and building wealth for retirement, especially for women and money influencers in general?

Shanna Game:

Well, I have some pretty strong, pretty.

Kim:

Strong feelings here, and I have no beef about it. I mean, I just would love to hear your advice on it because like I said, my whole, whole, you know, thought about retirement and how I See money as a woman who's, you know, of a certain age, 53, matter of fact, it's completely changed, flipped on its ear.

Shanna Game:

I just have a different approach than he has. I do not feel the need to shame people any further about their money choices because I don't think that that actually helps really create change. That's my personal opinion. And I agree that not having high interest debt is important. But, you know, what you're talking about here, Kim, is you're leveraging money.

Kim:

Yes.

Shanna Game:

And leverage is the same.

Kim:

And I'm not debt free.

Shanna Game:

Right. As you probably shouldn't be. Right. There is, you know, we talk about good debt, bad debt. Right. But there is such a thing as using debt to leverage corporation, growing your business or whatever it might be of creating additional wealth for you. Look, this is what top companies do. This is what the richest people in the world do.

Shanna Game:

They leverage, leverage, leverage. So, you know, and you know, Dave Ramsey talks about having your, your house completely paid off. Well, when you're in your working years, you're getting a tax deduction.

Kim:

Right.

Shanna Game:

For your mortgage payment. Now, of course, you're, you shouldn't buy more house than you can afford and all of that. Right. But I think there's, there are time and places and where debt is okay. And it's hard to just do a big brushstroke and say that it's all bad because people really are stressing themselves out. I've heard so many stories. People in my podcast, people who I've worked with, who are getting divorces are so many stories because they're just hyper focused and paying off debt, that they are not enjoying their life at all. You know, and then some people get to the point where they pay off the debt and they realize, I don't even like this person or, you know, what do I do now? I was so focused on.

Kim:

That was a full time job.

Shanna Game:

Yeah, Full time job. So I just think that, gosh, I just feel like we need to be gentler with ourselves, especially women.

Kim:

Well, and would you say, Shannah, that we need to be. Because I'm hearing you, I get so. I'm passionate about this because it has made my life. You know, they say, mo money, mo problems. There is some, you know, kind of truth to that in a way with your family and things like that, but really, more money, more opportunities. I believe that a thousand percent. You know, people say, you know, you know, I'm a big believer and it says, people say the love of money. No, the money is the root of all Evil.

Kim:

And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. It says, the love of money is the root of all evil. What excites me is about what money can do.

Shanna Game:

Yes.

Kim:

For your life. Right, Shannah. For your communities, for. For making a difference in the world, for being, you know, givers and all of that. But what mistakes do you see people making with money and the mentality of money and how. How can we do a quick fix with that? Because to me, it's. It's a perspective shift. Right.

Shanna Game:

Thousand percent. Yeah. And just to piggyback real quick on what you're saying, the more money that you have, the more good you can do with that money.

Kim:

Absolutely.

Shanna Game:

Right.

Kim:

So end of story.

Shanna Game:

Totally. So we need to change that. That word wealthy or rich, from something that is such a negative connotation.

Kim:

Yeah.

Shanna Game:

And something that's like, wow, this gives me opportunities. Correct. Do all sorts of things and to help other people and whatever. Help yourself. There is no chance.

Kim:

Why do we think that when you have a lot of money, you're automatically, innately evil? Because I say this too. More fame, more money, just brings out more of who you are. Doesn't change you.

Shanna Game:

Absolutely.

Kim:

If you're a big giver when you have nothing, you're even bigger giver when you've got a lot.

Shanna Game:

I'm telling you, yes, a thousand percent. And coming back to the mistakes that you're asking that people make, I think first off is just there's a lot of avoidance around money. So, you know, I talk about the story in my book that me, even as a money expert for years, hated to look at my ATM receipt, and I would fold it into an origami shape, shove it in my wallet. Because what happens was, if I looked at those numbers, I started subtracting everything. And my brain is one of those kind of crazy brains.

Shanna Game:

And in a nanosecond, I was broke, no house, living on the street. Like, just went there. And so I had to retrain myself that that's not the truth. Like, I had to recognize the lie that exists that's holding me hostage in that place. And if those things happen to me, I know they happen to everybody else. Right. So I think the. The first myth is that we think that we are the only people who have made this mistake around money.

Shanna Game:

And that's because we don't have these conversations. Right. We don't have these honest, real conversations about money. Not the good stuff, but the stuff that's been messy and icky or hard or we've learned all of that is so critically important to the story, Right? That's, that's the richness to me. So I think that's. That's the first one. The second one we, we kind of already talked about. Most of us have really not a great idea of where we're actually spending our money, where our money's going.

Kim:

Yeah.

Shanna Game:

So we don't have any power there in changing that dynamic.

Kim:

Well, you know, Shannah, I did that with, with my eating because I'd recently lost like 60 pounds over like a two year period or a year and a half period. And I remember doing that with my calorie intake. I was like, I did not realize where I was, how many calories I was consuming. So I thought, you know, I'll just track it, right? I'll just track it for a few days. And I was eating upwards of 4,000 calories a day and wondering, why the crap. I was 50 pounds.

Shanna Game:

But you found the reason, right? It came from that. And this is the thing that's so closely related to eating and money is you were. You were eating that same amount the entire time, right? It wasn't that.

Kim:

When you got to stop right there. I got to stop you. You have to stop right there and say what you just said again. You said how eating and money are what?

Shanna Game:

Related.

Kim:

Shut up.

Shanna Game:

Right?

Kim:

Shut your pie hole.

Shanna Game:

But you just gave the most beautiful example because you were eating that same way, right? You were probably telling yourself, I'm not eating 4,000 calories.

Kim:

Oh, God.

Shanna Game:

Right.

Kim:

I was shocked.

Shanna Game:

Right? So then you did the exercise of tracking and went, okay, it makes sense now. The same thing around money. I worked with a couple who lived in a rent controlled apartment in Hollywood. They made 300, some odd thousand between them.

Kim:

Oh, wow.

Shanna Game:

They wanted to buy a house. They couldn't figure out why. Why could they never do this? So I said, great, let me see. You know, do you have a budget? Do you have anything? They pulled out this, like, crumpled up piece of paper and handed it to me. You know, they created it like four years ago. And I said, great, give me your bank statement. So I went through line by line, categorized everything. Well, on the piece of paper, they put that they were spending $300 a month eating out.

Shanna Game:

In reality, they were spending between 3,004, $4,000 eating out. Now your brain goes, how could you not know that? But it's the same thing you're just saying right there, right?

Kim:

It is.

Shanna Game:

You've told yourself this is what you're doing. And the process of actually looking at the Reality. That's when the light bulb goes off, and that's when you have that decision of creating change. Like, you could have said 4,000 calories. Fine. I'm fine with it. Right. Or you could say, oh, my gosh, I found the thing, now let me change the thing.

Shanna Game:

And now you're, you know, 50 pounds lighter, 60 pound lighter.

Kim:

Well, and I will tell you, and people like, how did you lose the weight? It was an instant because I always thought I was just addicted. I thought I was just addicted eating. But when I saw, I was like, oh, daggone. That's not even normal. That is. That sounds ludicrous. You know what I'm saying? Like, instantly, my addiction was broken. So, I mean, I just think with money too.

Kim:

So breaking. Is that the trauma you're talking about? Is that where we attach our. Because we love to talk about trauma. We love us some trauma in women in America. We love us some trauma, and we love to talk about it, and we love to wallow in it, and we love to hear about other people's trauma. And it is a little fun, and it's a little spill the tea. But is. Is that where we really need to start? Is we.

Kim:

We got to come to grips with it. We got to look it dead in the face. I mean, tell us exactly what we got to do with it.

Shanna Game:

Yeah, we gotta look at it. And when we look at it, we have that decision moment. We can say, you know what? I wanna spend $3,000 eating out. Like, that's what makes me feel good. Or, oh, no, there are other things that I want to do. Let me figure out how to create a system and a boundary to only spend the $300. That couple, in six months had enough money to buy a house. They'd spent, shucks, years struggling to figure this out.

Shanna Game:

So, yeah, that is. You know, and trauma is just another word for ick. Yuck, Right? Like stuckness. Yeah, I'm in the quicksand. Sucks up, right?

Kim:

Yeah.

Shanna Game:

So it's just that feeling, like, when you feel that around money, just icky. Yucky. Okay, let's examine that. Let's look at what.

Kim:

Is that ever as bad as we think it is?

Shannah Game:

Shannah's like, I've seen some stuff.

Shanna Game:

I've seen some stuff most of the time. No, it's not. It's the. It's the avoidance creates the fear, and it gets so big that we convince ourselves we can't. We can't possibly look because it can't be that bad. Or, you know, you're just.

Kim:

You're just telling us to be confrontational, right?

Shanna Game:

Yeah. Look, look, the looking.

Kim:

Women normally aren't.

Shanna Game:

Yes.

Kim:

And women normally aren't.

Shanna Game:

Yes. But that is, I think if we're talking about, like, the secret decoder ring to building wealth, it's that. Because that is the perfect example of emotion married with practical action. Because it takes two things, right? We have to emotionally put ourselves in a place where, like, you, you got. Right. Probably to a place where you got fed up or frustrated. So you're like, you know, I'm going to track it. Right.

Shanna Game:

So you had to come through that emotional place first to get to the practical aspect of tracking. It's the same thing with money.

Kim:

Well, and I think. I think that's where the big. The big aha was for me when I started tracking, even with my weight. And then it's so funny, Shannah, because I have more money than I've ever had before. I'm very blessed, and I spend and do less than I ever have done. It is almost the love of money is the root of all evil, but the love of making it is the blessing for everybody. Now it's become not the money. It becomes, it's the game of it.

Shanna Game:

Yes.

Kim:

I feel like I'm in a game of Monopoly. I really do, where I can go buy boardwalk and put two or three hotels on it. I mean, I really. And that is what I want women to really feel and see and experience for their own financial situations. How do we get there? We're talking about how to start. But can you give us a vision for how to be rich? Do we set the vision board? Do we start the manifestation? Do we see ourselves there and then work our way back? Help us see ourselves rich.

Shanna Game:

Yeah, we need to see ourselves there. So we talked about the money story. I want people to think about something I call the money hero story. Okay, so your money story is already written. Right. But the hero version is the future, and that's what you get to create. Write that story. Where are you living? What are you doing? What are you doing for fun? Who's in your life? What does your house look like? Write it out as much as you can.

Shanna Game:

Visualize this, because we have to have a direction to go in. And I think we should be the hero of our own story. We should be the hero, just like you're talking about here. But then I also think something that's super important in your story is I would imagine you've had to take some risks along the way, right?

Kim:

Oh, yeah.

Shanna Game:

You've got that gut feeling to do something, to try something, to create something business wise. And you've trusted that, your faith, whatever else it might be, and you've taken that risk. So as women specifically, we need to take some risks.

Kim:

Well, I bet on myself. Like I got to the point where like so many of people listening right now, Shannah, is we work for other people. We make them very wealthy. We support our husbands, our family, our children, our communities, our bosses. Fill in the blank. We are definitely help people. We're help mates for a reason. Right.

Kim:

But it was when I started betting and believing on myself. I took the extra $20 a paycheck and invested in myself. Like that's why I want people to get your book, go and start consuming and reading and growing and becoming wealthy for you.

Shanna Game:

And even if you work for a boss, know your worth, advocate your worth.

Kim:

Work for yourself still.

Shanna Game:

Yes, negotiate your worth, negotiate. You'd be so surprised if I could show you a chart if even if you negotiated an extra $5,000 a year, $10,000 a year, whatever it is, and we took that amount and we invested that in your 401k and we grew that. Oh my gosh, game changer. It's so important.

Kim:

And I think the fear of not negotiating our work, like we got to have the, the, the balls. We've got to have a little bit of the kahunas to get out there and, and ask for what we want. Cause nine times out of ten we're going to get it. We might not get a hundred percent, but we might get 80.

Shanna Game:

And nobody is, nobody's coming to save you. You've.

Kim:

Come on, girl.

Shanna Game:

You've got to save yourself. You've got to advocate for yourself. Yeah, yeah. And get some, you know, get a, get a, like a money friend group together.

Kim:

Yes.

Shanna Game:

If this is something that's hard for you, get some people that you really trust, non judgmental and help each other do this so it doesn't feel so lonely.

Kim:

Well, and I mean, we're gonna have to have you back. Cause I wanna talk about investing too, because investing has been a game changer. We want our money to work for us when we're not working. Right. I call it mailbox money. You know, it just comes in the mail and it truly is a game changer. But it's a mindset. It is truly a mindset.

Kim:

I love what you're talking about. Deal with the drama, the trauma of it all and then shift your perspective on it. Get rid of the debt, pay it down, start investing. And then be that hero of your own story. How do we start? Okay, let me ask you this. This was a game changer for me. I'm not trying. I'm always trying to make it about myself, but I'm passionate about this subject, Shannah.

Kim:

But part of me is so passionate about building wealth because of my children. And generational wealth has gotten a bad rap because you think, oh, gosh, you're just gonna leave it to your kids, they're gonna be lazy, blah, blah, blah. I don't think that's the case. I think work ethic is separate from money. You can have a strong work ethic and have absolutely. You can have a strong work ethic or a weak work ethic and have tons of money. You know, I mean, I'm just saying, like, to me, those two things are kind of separate. What do you think about building generational wealth?

Shanna Game:

Personally, I'm a big fan. I mean, if we look at the wealthiest families in the United States, that's how they've done it. Pass down money to generation, to generation, to generation. I mean, I think this should be the most.

Kim:

It breaks a cycle.

Shanna Game:

It totally breaks the cycle. What? What? Like a. The best gift you could ever give someone if at age 18 or 21, you know, they have a pot of money to, let's say, buy a house or, or quit their job and try something else or start a business or, I don't know, so many different things.

Kim:

Yes.

Shanna Game:

Like, we're. We're trying to create wealth for ourselves. How it multiplies generation to generation is just mind blowing.

Kim:

It is.

Shanna Game:

Yeah. I'm a big fan.

Kim:

Yeah. Well, and that, that's so. I'm not like, women listening here are thinking, like, it's not about me. It's not about me. No, it's not about you. It's about your family. It's about your children. It's about future.

Kim:

Your grandchildren. Your grandchildren's children get rich for them.

Shanna Game:

But it starts with you.

Kim:

I never knew how. How important, like, life insurance was and leveraging all of that. I mean, it's just. It's all been mind blowing. We don't have time to talk about today, but I keep seeing people posting, like, on social media, you know, about life insurance policies, annuities, and about how these billionaires are using them to create generational wealth. Are those scams? I mean, I know they're not, but I just wanted to hear you say.

Shanna Game:

No, they're not scams. Again, everything that. Everything isn't right for everybody. So that's why? It's really important that this becomes a personal journey with money. There are some, but you gotta know what you're doing a thousand percent. And you gotta find good people, good, ethical, honest people to help you on that journey. For sure.

Kim:

Well, I remember like because my husband works with our company now and his full time job is just the financial arm of what we do, right? And so many people think the financial arm of what you do is just paying your bills and writing paychecks. And that's not the case. How important is it to surround yourself with professional, integrity driven people of character when it comes to finances? Because again, a thousand percent, I ain't no accountant. And none of that, okay?

Shanna Game:

I mean you can look at all the stories of like celebrities and artists and entertainers and athletes who didn't know anything about money, trusted other people and lost everything, right? Everything that they had worked for. So especially for women, we need to have this understanding, we need to have this financial literacy. We need to know where our money's going, what we're doing with it. And if the person you're working with is not willing to slow down and explain it to you, they're the wrong.

Kim:

Person gonna say, how do you find a financial planner?

Shanna Game:

Go find somebody else. Find somebody that you would want to sit across the table, have a cup of coffee, chit chat with and they are willing to explain things in a non judgmental way to help you truly understand what it is with your money. If that's not happening, walk away. Because there are lots of people out there that will do that in a really good way.

Kim:

Is there a entry point for financially of what you make a year to determine if you should have a financial planner or should everybody have some sort of.

Shanna Game:

I think everyone should have some sort of financial plan. Now there's a lot that you can kind of create yourself if you're disciplined. And this might be where you know, grabbing a girlfriend and sitting down and thinking about some of these things. You can chart out a lot of this now with online tools and calculators. It's become pretty easy to do. Where the financial planner comes in is we're trained to see all the puzzle pieces and if we're good, know how to put them together in a way that you might not be able to see it and then dispense that information and kind of action steps to you. But I think everyone needs some sort of plan. Even if you're paycheck to paycheck, how do we get out of that? We need a plan, we need the emotional, and we need the practical.

Kim:

Let's go. Let's get rich. Women. Okay, I have some listener questions. Do you have a minute? I want to. I want to ask you some questions that they. We ask people to get. People do have a lot of questions when it comes to money.

Kim:

They're. They're scared. They. You know, people don't think they can make a lot of money because they don't, you know, have a lot of money. You know what I mean?

Shanna Game:

Yes.

Kim:

So one question we had was, how much? Well, let me just read it. Let me just say it. My husband and I have a family secret. A year before my husband met me, he had a son with a woman that he had a fling with. He gave up his parental rights, but he sends him money every month. And since we have had three kids together and now we have really in need of the money he is sending. I hate this idea of stopping him from sending it, but his real family needs it. And we are barely.

Kim:

This is breaking my heart. And we are barely able to pay our bills, and we are starting to get into financial and credit card debt. How do I talk to him about this? Talk about trauma, girl. When it relates to money.

Shanna Game:

Yeah. I mean, these are sticky. These are sticky topics. Right. I think that talking to somebody else, whether it's a partner or family member, we've got to come from a place of curiosity and not from a place of judgment. We have to get to a place where we're. We're. We're willing to understand that the other person has their own money story, their own trauma, their own blocks, their own beliefs, and we can't understand them.

Shanna Game:

So let's meet them in a place that feels neutral for both of us. So I really think it comes from being honest, being vulnerable, and meeting it again with a sense of curiosity of what's going on. Right. Less blame, less why, and more of an understanding. And I think when we can have those types of conversations, we can start to break some of these walls.

Kim:

But, Shannah, do you think it's really that he is sending the money to the son? Is it really that little bit of money that's causing that rub?

Shanna Game:

No.

Kim:

Okay, me neither.

Shanna Game:

I'm thinking the answer is no, right?

Kim:

No.

Shanna Game:

And that's where, you know, start with yourself and really think about, okay, it's the fling. Yeah, I agree.

Kim:

It's the son.

Shanna Game:

I think so.

Kim:

And not sending the money, I don't think is going to take that feeling away.

Shanna Game:

I don't either. Right. So we gotta deal with that emotional piece before we get to any of the conversation piece.

Kim:

Book because she's gonna tell you how to do that. Okay. My adult daughter. Oh, this is a good one. Girl. My adult daughter is terrible with Money. She is 28 and lives at home in our basement. She overspends, maxes out her credit cards and continuously comes to me for help with when she runs out of funds.

Kim:

I've tried offering advice, budgeting options, even talking to, taking her to financial workshops, but nothing sticks. I'm at my wit's end. Oh, how can I support her without enabling her bad habits? And is there any way to help her develop bell financial responsibility? Get her out. No, I'm just kidding.

Shannah Game:

Tough love.

Kim:

That's you, right? That's me. That's me. And that's awful. And I'm not saying that's what you should do.

Shanna Game:

Shannah, I think we're gonna have the same kind of answer here. This. No, I think this curiosity place. Right.

Kim:

Of. Yeah.

Shanna Game:

Of having some conversations with her where she doesn't feel judged, where the mom can have a deeper understanding of, you know, when we're spending money out of control. There's some. We know there's something under the surface. Yeah.

Kim:

Because 28 is old.

Shanna Game:

Yeah. What is. What is going on under there? What are we feeling is missing from our life? What are we struggling with? Why do we need that dopamine hit? Right. What is going on? So I think coming at it from that perspective of wanting to understand where maybe the struggle is for the daughter. And again, we have to get rid of the judgment, shame, guilt, blame, and you know, you shouldn't be doing this. She shouldn't be doing that. That's never going to work. It's only going to make her spend more money.

Shanna Game:

Right. So I think coming at it from a different perspective where maybe the mom could understand and then once we can understand what's going on, like is there something she's super depressed about or super anxious or does she not like her job or is her relationship a mess? I don't know. Could be anything. Right. But once we have that information, then we can work with that. Then we could create a system for. Let's create some good financial boundaries. Let's get some goals in place.

Shanna Game:

Let's get some automation of. Of expenses set up. Right. Some of the money's going into investing. We're doing. We're doing some things, but I think we especially parents tend to come out like an all or nothing approach and you know, a blame approach. And it just doesn't work. Work.

Kim:

No, it doesn't. And I'm bad about that. I'm bad at that. I'm. I'm. Oh, God. Now you just. Now you've stepped on my toes.

Kim:

All right, here we go. Last one. I'm in a loving blended family with my husband, his son, and my two kids. Okay, that sounds about right. In America today, all of our kids are between the ages of 6 and 10. And my 8 year old stepson recently inherited just over $100,000 from a relative on his site. Is his. His side of the family? I think the money could really benefit our whole entire family by paying off debts.

Kim:

Oh. Covering household expenses, or even investing in things that could help everyone, even like a new car or family vacation. However, my husband is adamant that the money should be used for our stepson's future, like college or other expenses when he's older. He's even gone as far to tell me that I'm becoming an evil stepmother by suggesting otherwise. How do we navigate the situation while addressing both immediate family needs and my stepson's long term interest? Oh, my God.

Shanna Game:

Now, Shannah, these are juicy. This is juicy.

Kim:

Okay. This is tough love. I'm gonna let you go on and just say your piece.

Shannah Game:

Kim's ready to.

Kim:

I'm chomping at the bit.

Shannah Game:

100K. You're out on your own.

Kim:

I mean, just 100k.

Shanna Game:

It was given to him.

Kim:

Thank. Hello.

Shanna Game:

It should be secured for him in a trust. And then let's have a different conversation about how we can maybe make money a little bit better in the household. Right. Yeah. I mean, that is, if you start using kids money in that way, it's kind of.

Kim:

That kind of is a little bit of an evil stepmom. I'm sorry, that's kind of Cinderella ish.

Shanna Game:

Yes. We're going to have to pretend like that doesn't exist. Put the money in.

Kim:

I agree.

Shanna Game:

Account for him, a trust for him something and forget it even happened. Let him. Let him have.

Kim:

That's his money.

Shanna Game:

It's his money. It's his money. Regardless of his age. It's his money.

Kim:

And I have seen time and time again, Shannah, that money is so divisive. If we let it. If we let it control us, it becomes. It can be. Become murderous, Deadly, destructive.

Shanna Game:

Absolutely.

Kim:

But if we really have that right mindset like you're talking about, it becomes empowering. Freedom. I was gonna say flourishing growth.

Shanna Game:

That's financial freedom, right?

Kim:

Come on.

Shanna Game:

Yes, that is. Yeah.

Kim:

A lot of us got the trauma. You can't do it in an unhealthy way. I mean, I agree with you about the trauma.

Shanna Game:

No, we can't. We need to start creating some healthy practices for ourselves. Some healthy. Celebrate small wins. Be good to yourself. If anybody in your life is judging you, spending choices or anything, if it. If they don't have an immediate financial impact on someone else, that's your business. You don't have to justify anything.

Shanna Game:

You don't have to justify building wealth. You don't have to justify negotiating for your. Your worth at work. None of this. Right. This is. This is one of the. I think best gifts we can give ourselves is empowering ourselves to do this work, to celebrate ourselves, to build wealth, to help other people build wealth.

Shanna Game:

Other women build wealth. There's plenty to go around.

Kim:

So what you're saying, in a nutshell, is women go get rich.

Shanna Game:

Women go get rich.

Zac:

Can I just. Can I ask a question, actually, that I've been thinking about as you've been talking about women getting rich. And Kim, as a woman who basically has gotten rich, let's be honest, you've been very successful. Do you feel awkward having more money all of a sudden? Like, later in life, does it feel like.

Kim:

No, I will tell you. I'm grateful for it being later in life. And that's where I'm really excited about our audience hearing this, because there is something about. We always think if you don't make it by a certain amount of time or if you don't achieve your financial goals or whatever, or any goal for that matter. Right, Shannah. In a certain amount of time, that it's over. So for me, I have made more money in the last three years in my 50s than I made my entire young adult life, from my 20s to my. To being 46 years old.

Kim:

Okay. Like, in the last three years. Okay. So when. When Shannah's saying get rich, that's all relative. Cause what I mean, $100,000 to that young woman who's the evil stepmom. We're not gonna call her your stepmom. You just did.

Kim:

That's a lot of money. Which it is a lot of money. But for some people, that's like, that's all I need. I'm good. You know, for some people, like, that's just a. That's just a drop in the bucket. So getting rich is really. Wouldn't you say, Shannah, is very relative to what that.

Kim:

What your personal needs and what your. What your idea of comfort is.

Shanna Game:

Yeah. And I think that's so important to think about what that is, because again, you don't know what you're shooting for if you don't know what that is.

Kim:

But I'll tell you. I will tell you this. I will tell everybody listening to me, whatever that is, once you achieve that, whatever that rich is for you, once you achieve it, you all want more.

Shanna Game:

Yes, you will.

Kim:

And you're going to see that you can have it.

Shanna Game:

Yes.

Kim:

No. You. No. So, like, you know, if I'm sitting here at 53 and could have done in three years from 50 to 53 more than I've done my entire 50 years before that, it's not too late, right, Shannah?

Shanna Game:

It's never too late. It's never too late.

Kim:

It's never too late.

Shanna Game:

What is that? Colonel Sanders, who created kfc. What did he. He didn't start it. I think he.

Kim:

Praise God for Colonel Sanders. I just had a biscuit and some mashed potatoes and gravy with coleslaw and extra crispy chicken wing last night.

Shanna Game:

1. It's never too late. It is.

Kim:

It's never too late. What did he say? Look it up. Look it up. We gotta find out what Colonel Sanders.

Shannah Game:

Wait, didn't he, like, have a.

Kim:

She's quoting Colonel Sanders. We're talking about.

Shannah Game:

And it was, like, a big thing.

Kim:

No, he was, like, in his 60s, wasn't.

Shanna Game:

He was late in life when he started.

Kim:

We're looking it up, Zac.

Shanna Game:

Look it up. And I mean, there's. You could look up so many different people who. It was later in life, 50s, 60s, 70s, when they, you know, became what you would consider wealthy or wealthy for them and.

Kim:

Right.

Shanna Game:

Yeah, there. There's. I mean, we're living longer. Right. So there, you know.

Kim:

Well, and the generational wealth should be a motivator, I really think. I mean, that's what keeps me going.

Shanna Game:

Absolutely.

Kim:

Because honestly, Shannah, when I'm thinking about retirement. Because you're talking about Dave Ramsey and retirement. I know you speak to retirement, too. Like, what am I going to. If I was to retire right now, what am I. Would I do? Sit around.

Shanna Game:

Yeah.

Kim:

And eat. I mean, what would I do?

Shanna Game:

We need to reshape even the definition of retirement. What if you're doing something that you love for many, many years, you don't have to work, but you're choosing to do something you're super passionate about. To me, that seems like a really awesome way to, quote, unquote, be in retire. It's very different from our parents and our grandparents, generations and the generations before it's very different, and I think we need to think about it differently.

Zac:

He was. He was 62, by the way, when he started. Yeah. When he did his first KFC. And 65 when he sold the first restaurant.

Shanna Game:

And he probably only lived to.

Zac:

He was 90.

Shanna Game:

Oh, he was 90. Okay, never mind. Still. Still pretty good.

Kim:

Honey, let me tell you something. That's your next book. How longevity and. And having money and. And really having purpose.

Shanna Game:

Yes.

Kim:

Keeps you around to 90.

Shanna Game:

Absolutely.

Kim:

All right, Shannah, you gotta come back. You gotta. You know, before we go. Before we go, y'all gotta get the book. I'll tell you in a minute. But hold on. We have to do our final questions. We always do.

Kim:

Em. I just want you to. Just, when I ask you, just from your heart, just, you know how it is. Just what comes up comes out. Rapid fire questions. What do you attribute your success to?

Shanna Game:

Following my intuition.

Kim:

You have to explain that everything that.

Shanna Game:

I've done in my career has been from me hearing that little voice inside saying, you got to do this. I've been an entrepreneur my entire career. I started my first business in college from that little voice. This part about the podcast that I run from a Little Voice on a Friday, had it up on a Monday. The book from a Little Voice. Everything from a Little Voice.

Kim:

The little voice. But what made you take action? What made you hear the voice, hear the gut instinct and move?

Shanna Game:

Why not me?

Kim:

What made you take action?

Shanna Game:

Why not me? Why not me? If not me, would you call that little voice?

Kim:

Would you call that little voice that gut feeling like faith?

Shanna Game:

Sure.

Kim:

Yeah.

Shanna Game:

Faith. Yeah. A belief. Yeah.

Kim:

A belief that there's more for you.

Shanna Game:

A belief that there's more.

Kim:

Okay, let me go find it.

Shanna Game:

Yeah.

Kim:

Well, that's a mic drop, but we're continuing on. What's the best advice you ever received?

Shanna Game:

When it comes to money, the best advice. Don't aim for perfection. Aim for like a 60, 40, 70, 30 split.

Kim:

I would agree with that. But you know what? Sometimes I have failed 70% of the time.

Shanna Game:

That's okay.

Kim:

And the 30's been so good. I'll take that 30. Okay.

Shanna Game:

See? Yep.

Kim:

I remember. Can I tell a true story? Can I tell a true story? So we did okay. My husband was cheapest man in the free world. Travis, you know you're listening. I mean, when. When we die, I'm just telling everybody, come to our house, start digging the backyard up. Cause there will be money in little containers.

Shanna Game:

You're tell us your address right now, right? No.

Kim:

Yeah, I'm just Saying, free for all. If you can dig it up, find it, it's yours. I'm just telling right here in the podcast. But we had secured. I was a stay at home mom. Travis. I mean, Travis, Lord help, he didn't even make a hundred thousand dollars a year. And I didn't work.

Kim:

And so, I mean. And, you know, it was a decent salary, but, you know, on a family of four. Right. I mean, we were clipping coupons, and we loved it and had a ball doing it, and everything was watching our P's and Q's. Well, I'm kind of a free spirit, and I'm like, look, if it's. If somebody else can do it, we can do it. You know, I'm a gut girl like you, Shannah. So I said, I'm gonna get a reality TV show.

Kim:

And he was like, you are smoking dope, but go ahead, give it your best shot. And so I went into our basement. I filmed this thing. Anyway, so we secured. Long story short, we got rejected. We got a reality TV show. Okay. We're backing up, so I'm gonna tell this as a true story.

Kim:

So people think you get rich on reality tv. You do not.

Shanna Game:

Nope.

Shannah Game:

I could tell you that right now.

Kim:

So, Zac, so when you get to the point. Do you remember what I made on that reality TV show? Do you remember what I made? Because you were the line producer. Do you remember when I got paid?

Zac:

I think I do.

Kim:

Tell everybody what you think I got paid per episode.

Zac:

I think you got maybe $10,000 an episode.

Kim:

I got $10,000 an episode. You go, okay, but who did I have to pay with that $10,000 for the episode?

Zac:

Yeah, you tell me.

Kim:

My mother, my sister. They were all wrapped into my little rinky dink contract. Wait, were they not getting PA under my contract? They came under me.

Shannah Game:

I forgot about that. Yeah, and they were in it a lot.

Kim:

Okay. And then I had to pay for the facility we were renting to shoot the show. So by the time the show wrapped, I was in the freaking hole.

Shanna Game:

Yeah.

Kim:

I will never forget this, Shannah. So per. For a financial planner, how would you advise me at that moment? Would you be like, Kim, you're really not.

Shanna Game:

Yeah, right. We need to. We need to renegotiate something here.

Kim:

We need to renegotiate.

Zac:

I can't believe they weren't getting their own paycheck.

Kim:

So you know how Allisyn is. So she thinks she's. She thinks she's $15,000 an episode. Okay. So we're in the hole. So at the. At the end of the show, I just remember going, oh, my gosh. Plus, you have to pay taxes.

Kim:

So, like, you know, I just remember going, oh, my gosh. I have failed miserably, Shannah. I took that platform, and I leveraged to go to qvc.

Shanna Game:

Yes.

Kim:

Spent every dime. I didn't make a dime. I was in the hole. It cost me money to do the show, and people thought I got rich off of that. Blah, blah, blah. I did not.

Zac:

There's no residuals, by the way, in reality, like, you don't get paid after at all. Like, you get a paycheck, and then you're out. Yeah. It's not a great deal.

Kim:

So I say all that to say whoever's watching right now, Shannah, and I want you to back me up from an intellectual standpoint, not this, like, super crazy story I'm telling everybody. Don't take these. Like, if you've made mistakes contractually or in debt or you've bought the wrong home or you've married the wrong person or you. You don't see your way out of this medical debt you're dealing with, there's always a leg up, correct?

Shanna Game:

Always. Yes. And it usually starts from not only believing in yourself, but asking for help, finding people and saying, here's where I want to get to. Can you help me get there?

Kim:

And y'all, even if you don't know who to go to, just call Shawn. Just call Shannah.

Shanna Game:

Just call me.

Kim:

Get on the website.

Shanna Game:

Just call me.

Kim:

She'll point you in the right direction. Or maybe you can. You can, you know, just reach out to her. She will tell you where to go. Okay. Reach out to Zac. Zac will tell you to call her, and she'll do it. All right.

Kim:

What's one beautiful thing about you on the outside and one beautiful thing about you on the inside?

Shanna Game:

Wow.

Kim:

Yeah, I love that question.

Shanna Game:

I do, too. Wow. On the outside, I actually love my nose. It's been broken. Two good nose in my life and no cosmetic anything, but it came out beautifully. So I will say my name.

Kim:

Your hair. You have to say your hair.

Shanna Game:

My hair.

Kim:

Is your hair naturally really thick and just fantastic?

Shanna Game:

It is. I know. I'm sorry.

Kim:

Got good hair, girl.

Shanna Game:

On the inside. Something that most people don't know about me is in 2018, I had an accident. Became deaf in my left ear. So I'm deaf with chronic tinnitus all day, every day for six years now. And so internally, I've had to rethink everything about myself. Climb through so many different battles of anxiety, depression, you name it. To be able to be here and to show up and stay committed to what I. What I really believe is my calling.

Kim:

How important is knowing your calling or at least pursuing it? Nothing else.

Shanna Game:

I feel like that's sort of what we're here on earth to do. And it doesn't have to be something big. We don't all need to be celebrities or influencers. Right. Your calling could be to just be a good mom or dad to, you know, some amazing kids or be somebody in your community. Right. But I think that we need to get more attached to the authenticity of ourselves and show up that. That way without feeling like we need to be somebody else.

Kim:

All right, most important question of the whole entire day. Your favorite junk food, both sweet and salty.

Shanna Game:

Oh, man, I am all sweet. Salty. I will say. I will say give me a potato chip any day and. Or a bag of potato chips, man. I don't. I don't have a flavor, Kim, that I don't like. That's.

Shanna Game:

That's really a downfall.

Kim:

Have you ever tried the dill pickle flavor?

Shanna Game:

You know what? I haven't, but I am super. Okay, try it. How many needs send you back?

Kim:

Okay, they're good.

Shanna Game:

Now, sweet side, I make probably the best gluten free cupcakes ever in the world. Oh. And I will. I will stand on that claim. In fact, I've thought about creating a cupcake business just because they're so good. And I think everybody needs to eat a cupcake, have some fun, and celebrate life like we did as a kid. But cupcakes are my go to. But look, give me a bowl of ice cream, give me a cookie, give me a bad key spoon, piece of cake.

Shanna Game:

1. I don't care. I'm there for it.

Kim:

And yeah, there's nothing like, like a piece of cake like a cupcake with, like. Do you like buttercream icing?

Shanna Game:

Oh, I'm a cream cheese frosting.

Kim:

Okay, just. I want the thick stuff. I don't want the whip.

Shanna Game:

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You need to feel that sugar rush kind of in your body. You know that?

Kim:

You just need to feel a. Yeah.

Kim:

Did you just go.

Shanna Game:

I did. You know.

Kim:

All right. I said it was the last question. It's not. Here's the last question. Celebrity crush.

Shanna Game:

Listen, I'm a huge music fan, okay? And I am a huge lover of U2. And I know this sounds really crazy, but no, it's not. It's fantastic. My. My celebrity crush, the lead singer of U2.

Zac:

Bono. Okay, you said Bono.

Shanna Game:

Yeah.

Kim:

Okay, so it's not the edge I thought.

Shanna Game:

I thought you were going to be a little edge close. You know, I mean, with the beanie and all that. I thought for sure. I mean, I could. I could go for that, too.

Kim:

I mean, I saw them live in Vegas.

Shanna Game:

Oh, you did?

Kim:

Yes.

Shanna Game:

How was it?

Kim:

Game changer.

Shanna Game:

Yeah.

Kim:

They are the real deal, Holyfield.

Shanna Game:

Yes, I know. All day, every day.

Kim:

Okay, y'all gotta go get Shannah's book. Okay. If you want to hear more about Shannah, you gotta check out her podcast. Everyone's talking money. I'm telling you, you got to go check it out. It will totally be game changer for your money trauma and how women you can get rich. She's also on Instagram @Shannahgame. And then buy her book.

Kim:

It's out today. Unraveling your relationship with money everywhere. Books are sold. Hit her up. Any kind of money advice, questions, please. She is here to serve. She has found her calling, and it is to serve you in your unraveling your money trauma. I'm telling you, it's going to be a game changer for you.

Kim:

Shannah, thanks for coming on the show. You gotta come back. This book is gonna be really, really the next level.

Shanna Game:

Thank you. I'm back here anytime you want me.

Kim:

Okay, deal. But only if you send us your cupcakes first.

Shanna Game:

I will. I will hand deliver a cupcake. How is that?

Kim:

You got a deal.

Shanna Game:

All right.

Zac:

All right. It's gonna be tough. Cause I'm in California. Kim's in Atlanta.

Kim:

Kim's in Atlanta, so you ain't getting no cupcakes. Zac. Bye. Bye, y'all.

Shanna Game:

I'm only three hours from Kim's.

Zac:

Bye, everybody. Episode's over. Sorry, that's really loud.

Kim:
The Kim Gravel Show is produced and edited by Zac Miller at Uncommon Audio. Our associate producer is Kathleen Grant from the Brunette Exec. Production help from  Emily Bredin and Sara Noto. Our cover art is designed by Sanaz Huber at Memarian Creative. Our show is edited by Mike Kligerman. Our guest intros are performed by Roxy Reese. Our guest booking is done by Central Talent Booking. Our ads are furnished by True Native Media. And y'all, I want to give a big huge thank you to the entire team at QVC+ and a special thank you to our audience for making this community so strong. If you are still listening then you must have liked a few episodes along the way. So tell somebody about it. Tell somebody about this show and join our mailing list at kimgravelshow.com. I cannot do this show without you and so I thank you from the bottom of my heart for listening. I hope you gain a little bit of encouragement, light and love love from watching and listening to The Kim Gravel Show.

Kim:

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