Fame, Fashion, and Family with Melissa Rivers

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Kim:

This episode is sponsored by emojis nobody understands. Here is an emoji. It's the upside down smiley face. I think this means you're full of bird turd. That's what I think this one means. Cause, like, a lot of people think they're happy and all this, and really they jacked up. They messed up. So I would do the upside down.

Kim:

Do we know what it really means?

Zac:

I have no idea.

Kim:

Okay, this emoji, y'all, is. It looks like your eyes are closed and you're crying. There's a little teardrop that's coming down. This actual emoji is called sleepy. That's a sleepy emoji. Okay, whatever. Seriously, if that's how you're sleeping, you might need to go and see a doctor. So call the doctor.

Kim:

This one also is a complete mystery. I don't know what this means, except I helped me call beam me up, Scotty. That's what I'm thinking this one means. I'm told it's just called a no. Like, to me, a no should be like, but I guess this is a no. Okay, this one is called persevering face, but it looks like more. I'm constipated, and I need to go. I'm sitting on the toilet for 20 minutes, and nothing's coming out.

Kim:

Okay, so you know what, Zac? I have to call my kids and find out what all these mean. Until then, brah, don't give me any more Riz. Let's just start the show.

Zac:

I don't think you're using Riz the right way, Kim.

Intro:

This is The Kim Gravel Show.

Kim:

I have been trying to get this woman on my podcast for months, and.

Melissa Rivers:

My mother used to say, I do not want to live a day past where I can't wash out my own underwear.

Kim:

What is the most surreal celebrity experience that you've ever had?

Melissa Rivers:

We refer to her as the accidental feminist.

Kim:

Was she hard on you?

Melissa Rivers:

But that's how she wanted to go. She used to say, I either want to die in my sleep or tip over on stage.

Kim:

I don't have any hearts anymore except flashes with suicide.

Melissa Rivers:

You have the whys and the if onlys.

Kim:

When her mom got to the other side, to heaven to meet her father, he's like, oh, man, she is here.

Melissa Rivers:

And she is still .

Kim:

Did we get that recorded, Zac? I just want to picture it. Okay, before we get started. Cause this guest coming on today is like, look, this is the perfect open to this show because this is. We're gonna have a daughter of a famous comedian on I can't wait to tell you about it. But first, let me just say why it's perfect. Because, like, to me, emojis make the medicine go down better. Do you know what I mean? Like, if I've got to have a very, you know, I'm curt. I'm kind of, like, in your face, like, Zac and I'll be talking about Zac.

Kim:

This sucks. We're not doing that. Like, I'll just say it like it is. Like, I'll just. That's stupid. I mean, I'll say stuff like that. And people who don't know me, you know, who don't, like, do life with me. Like, I'll be on big calls, like, with QVC, and they'd be like, I ain't doing that.

Kim:

That is not gonna work. And people. I mean, I forget, you know, I'm like, people don't know you, Kim. But if I had a little emoji, like, if I just like, that ain't gonna work, and I hold up a little smiley face, maybe that would ease it, like. Cause I do that in text, I think it really helps me.

Zac:

I feel like when I get an emoji and tell me if this is true, when you get an emoji and you don't understand what it means, like, the context of it at all, I feel like I don't know what to do. I'm like, I don't know how to take this.

Kim:

Okay.

Zac:

Emoji stressed me out at this point, Kim.

Melissa Rivers:

I don't know.

Zac:

I'm in my late thirties. I don't understand. I'm texting. You're not half my age. I don't get it. And I'm like, this is the big thing.

Kim:

I knew I was in trouble. They're totally making fun of us. They're totally making fun of us. I think so.

Zac:

I think that's like, that's like, that's. They're always just.

Kim:

I knew I was in trouble. Cause I said, hey, kids, what are we gonna eat? But instead of saying eat, I put the little eggplant emoji for dinner. Cause it's like food.

Zac:

Even I know. You should never use the eggplant emoji, Kim. That's just off the table.

Kim:

I had no idea what an eggplant. I thought it was just, like, food. Like, what are we gonna eat food wise? Cause there's not a strawberry and all that. It's just like, the eggplant. I didn't know the eggplant was a body part. That's inappropriate to talk about via anywhere. And so Bo, who is, like, my solid normal, well, halfway normal kid Blanton just. Just did the emoji back.

Kim:

Bo goes, mom, I don't think you understand what that means. Don't send an eggplant to anybody. And he even put in parentheses, including dad. So I don't know.

Zac:

Oh, my gosh, that's so good.

Kim:

So I did. I don't. I don't. Listen, look up the eggplant emoji yourself. I will not share what it is. I'm just saying emojis matter.

Zac:

All right, let's get to our guest. How about that, Kim?

Kim:

Gird your loins, people. I could not be more excited for my guest today. I have been trying to get this woman on my podcast for months, and she's been out. I've been out. We've been here and there and everywhere. She's a cultural icon, literally. And I met her at QVC's age of possibility summit in Las Vegas. You're gonna recognize her.

Kim:

From hosting, like, red carpet events to producing to starring in so many tv shows. She's also an award winning writer. She writes y'all hilarious. Her latest book is called the lies my mother told me, tall tales from a short woman. She's also hosts a hit podcast called the Melissa Rivers Group text. Y'all, I have laughed, taught, peed my pants. Listen to this. You've got to download her podcast.

Kim:

She's asked me to be on a guest. I'm so thrilled and honored. Please welcome the one and only Melissa Rivers. Top that, Melissa. Come on. I can't.

Melissa Rivers:

I can't sing at all. Is that you?

Kim:

No, but I could lie to you until it was. So you just think I'm multifaceted, talented, but no, wasn't me.

Melissa Rivers:

But you are multifaceted and talented. Plus, like, you know, can sell anything.

Kim:

Well, okay, let's just start out with how.

Melissa Rivers:

Cause you believe in it. Cause you believe in it.

Kim:

Oh, you know, I believe. You know, I believe you hang on.

Melissa Rivers:

To that and convince people, and then you are always right.

Kim:

Okay, did we get that recorded, Zac?

Melissa Rivers:

But let me, as I was about to finish that thought, was. But I'm sure your kids don't think so.

Kim:

Ever. No, Melissa. But I will be repeating that saying. Do you see this famous person saying, I'm always right. I'm always right? Uh huh. They won't care.

Melissa Rivers:

No, totally. Because you have boys like mine. Totally disinterested boys are.

Kim:

Well, we're going to get into that because I want to talk to you first about something, because when I met you at the age wanting to, like, meet you, hug you, kiss you on the cheek for, like, like, almost eight years, because I probably wanted to be your mother, Joan Rivers, when I grew up. Like, I have watched her when I had my two boys, who are now 17 and 15, fashion police and Johnny Kate plus eight. Johnny Kate plus eight. And fashion police saved my life. You saved my life, Melissa. You and your mother saved my life. Do you remember that show and how iconic it was? It's still, like, I go on and watch, like, reruns and things like that and YouTube them.

Melissa Rivers:

Oh, absolutely. You know, people are always like, bring back fashion police. And I wish we could, but we live in a time where you can't.

Kim:

That's true. We had that conversation too.

Zac:

Wait, why? I wanted to. Why is that?

Melissa Rivers:

Oh, because what are you gonna say? You can't say anything about anybody that even is the least bit critical. So we're gonna say, well, I didn't like the dress, but that's not saying that this actress isn't beautiful and wonderful and talented and a good person and, you know, donates money to good causes. I'm just not sure that I would have picked that dress for her. But that's not saying that the designer isn't a genius.

Kim:

Boring. Nobody wants to hear that. Yeah, nobody wants to hear it, Melissa. And this is the thing about fashion. Please. And your mother, because, like, I've always wanted to meet her, and I know you hear this all the time, and you're just gonna have to, like, deal with it with me telling you one more time. But I always wanted to meet her, because there are people who are mean spirited and mean hearted with their. With their constructive criticism.

Kim:

Because I come from a mom who's very construct. She would say it's. It's truth. I'm just telling you the truth. But, you know, I say constructive criticism.

Zac:

Melissa, I'm scared of Kim's mom. I'm just to say my mom is.

Kim:

Total dope, by the way, it sounds.

Melissa Rivers:

Like I'd be scared of Kim's mom, too.

Kim:

No, you would love her. She's baller shot caller.

Melissa Rivers:

I have a friend that does the. I don't want to tell you to upset you, but I know you would want to know, but it's always in the situation where you can't change anything in the moment.

Kim:

Well, yeah. And you have total respect for that personality. But my mom also has a great heart. When I went to QVC, you know, your mother had already passed. This was, like, eight years ago, and I was just like, I wanted to meet your mom so bad. And when I hit the doors at QVC, first of all, everybody's like, oh, my gosh, you remind me so much of Joan. First of all, everybody used to tell me that that and gene buys from quacker fact. They say you're a combo of the two, which I thought was a huge compliment.

Kim:

And second, they used to say that your mom was the most loving, generous human on the planet. Like, people at the hotel, girl. Cause, you know, we all stay at the same hotel. I mean, I'm getting cold chills talking about it, and I hope you are really receiving this. And I know she's watching us from heaven going, these two crazy nut bags. Why did she get bangs? And why doesn't Kim, like, you know, bleach her teeth? I mean, she's probably saying that about us right now in heaven. But I'm just saying that I had people tell me that she would just take wads of cash and bless people with it. Just people would say, I need something.

Kim:

And she'd, here, babe, take it. Can you tell people that people don't know that about your mother?

Melissa Rivers:

No. She was incredibly generous, incredibly warm, incredibly kind. The person, you know, we always talk about with fashion police, Margaret. It's like, first of all, if we were talking about you and specifically my mom and her act and things like that, that meant that you were famous enough of a working knowledge about you.

Kim:

They could get the joke and make you famous. And make you famous.

Melissa Rivers:

But you are famous enough that they get the joke.

Kim:

They get it. Yes.

Melissa Rivers:

We don't like one of the ten dresses, all of which are custom and hundred and thousands and thousands of dollars that have been given you for free at one event. Come on.

Kim:

Well, you can't be in this business if you have thick, thin skin. You just. You can't.

Melissa Rivers:

And it was a comedy show.

Kim:

Hello. Fashion police was iconic. How. Okay, really quick. Cause you're preserving your mother's legacy, and I wanna get into that. But I wanna talk about how fashion police was birthed. How did that happen, Melissa? Cause you wrote it, you were on it, you produced it, your mom was in it. I mean, it was a family business, essentially.

Melissa Rivers:

Yes. Oh, very much so. My mom would always talk about, you know, the fashion and this and that and the other. And we were at E. And the idea kind of came up a lot of different ways. Like, you can't really pinpoint where. Said we should do a show. Talking about the fashion and the original name from a thousand years ago before we changed over to TV Guide.

Melissa Rivers:

It was honestly called fashion review. Fashion police came in the second iteration, but it was called fashion review, and it was literally pictures and being funny and being honest, and people would be like, oh, how can you say those things? And my mom always used to say, what we're doing is no different than what you are saying to your friends on the couch, because no one's sitting at home going, they're all beautiful, and they're all this, and they're all perfect. You're sitting at home going, what the were they thinking? You know what I mean? No one's at home saying, oh, you know, everybody's perfect.

Kim:

Well, and they're not. Some of those are big misses. I mean, I used to sit there and dream of myself sitting beside your mother, because I think I could have gone all in with her. They say, kim, you're so nice. I am nice, but do not mistake it for being, you know, having an opinion. Cause I have lots of opinions.

Melissa Rivers:

And by the way, we all have fashion misses. I have them all the time. And I might love something, and I get terrible feedback, but it happens.

Kim:

Well, but you. Cause your mom has. Okay, I want everybody, especially the QVC world, who's watching this right now on QVC, Joan's brand is. Is not only is it still going strong, it is in a growth mode.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah.

Kim:

Because I. Because, first of all, Bitsy, who is your on air guest and your ambassador, is my style, like, guru. I love her.

Melissa Rivers:

She is amazing.

Kim:

I want to be bitsy. I love this woman with everything that I've got. She has such class and taste, and I love David. Oh, my God, David, I love you.

Melissa Rivers:

She's the president of our company, and Bitsy's one of those women who can put on a trash bag, throw a belt on, and you're like, oh, my God, how do I wear that?

Kim:

I'm obsessed with her.

Melissa Rivers:

She's one of those people.

Kim:

She's total girl crush for me. Yes. I just. And she is such a. She has such a heart, too. Why do you think this legacy of your mom's clothing brand? I mean, I have bought her root powder. I bought her jewelry. I got so many people start flying.

Melissa Rivers:

Isn't the root powder the best? I want to bring it back. Cause I have not yet found.

Kim:

When are you gonna bring it back? Is it gone?

Melissa Rivers:

Hopefully, it's not gone. It's just in smaller quantities. But I'm telling you, it is the best ever. What? Because first of all, she loved fashion.

Kim:

Yeah, she was so gorgeous. I mean, gorgeous woman physically, too. I mean, just beautiful.

Melissa Rivers:

He understood what was. And I hate the word wearable.

Kim:

Yes.

Melissa Rivers:

No, it's a good word, but because it's like, it's like anyone who follows fashion, what you see on the Runway and see through and this and that, the other isn't what actually gets shipped to the stores. No, it was a much different version. And I think my mother found where you can have all the style and all that certain something and look so pulled together while it was still workable. You know, I always, you know, I need, with my clothes, I'm always like, ease of use.

Kim:

Right. You've got style, though, too.

Melissa Rivers:

Thank you. But she would look for things that made a difference in the clothing. If it was a collar, if it was this, she was able to elevate.

Kim:

Totally keep it wearable and classy. Gosh, had such taste. But, like, wasn't it? Her and Jacqueline Smith are the two that really stepped into this. Like, having your brands with your names, weren't they kind of pioneers? I know Joan was especially for, like, e commerce and selling on television. Wasn't your mom that pioneer that really stepped into it and just connected so much with the audience? How long ago?

Melissa Rivers:

Oh, God, I don't know. She was always into fashion. Always. Even before QVC and all that, always into fashion when she was hosting the Tonight show up. But even before that, she was always into fashion from the time she could walk. As for Jacqueline Smith, I don't know, I just remember looking at ads as a little girl in the Jacqueline Smith collection.

Kim:

Yeah, and your mom had them, too. Like, your mom was, like, the one she was. I mean, I just remember those women being so classy and really taking their giftings, like. Cause how did comedy and fashion and funny all go hand in hand? I mean, there's something profound there, because fashion is about expressing yourself in many ways. That's real. And your mom, your mom was 100% who she was.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah. And, you know, you're not going to take the funny out of someone, you know, and she wasn't ever going to. You know, and also with her, she was never going to pretend she was someone she wasn't.

Kim:

Never, never.

Melissa Rivers:

You know, and I think it was that kind of honesty. And, I mean, one of the reasons that all of our red carpets and fashion police and all the whole Joan and Melissa stuff worked was because it was an organic relationship and everybody could relate to it. If they couldn't relate to her, they related to me. They related to the conflict. They were, you know, the eye rolling, the. This that. You know what I mean?

Kim:

Was she hard on you?

Melissa Rivers:

Oh, yeah.

Kim:

Like, give us a real. Give us a real Melissa and Joan like moment.

Melissa Rivers:

Well, my parents were incredibly traditional, so real moments were the same thing that everybody had at home. I would get grounded. I had to get good grades. I had to do chores. I had to be accountable. All those things. So people think, well, what was the real, you know? I think we were both hypercritical of ourselves at work, that we didn't go after each other. So there are very few times that I can remember, literally only a handful, where we actually had work disagreements.

Melissa Rivers:

And that was very early on, because she. I knew not to, especially on fashion. Please. I knew not to try and tell her what was funny. And she told me how to run a show, you know? And then the thing was, she would take total advantage of it.

Kim:

Totally.

Melissa Rivers:

She's smart and I know, but I'm like, mom, like, you cannot be the leader of the revolt on set. And she would do things. She would, like, turn to, like, Kelly Osborne and go watch let me make Melissa crazy. And she would say or do something, and I would just, like, on cue, just lose it at her. Like, she thought that was hilarious. Yeah. She quite enjoyed torturing me for her own amusement.

Kim:

I don't mean to get serious, but do you really miss her? Girl, how much do you miss her?

Melissa Rivers:

It's ten years this year, which is crazy, I know, but again, grief is. Grief is grief.

Kim:

Yeah.

Melissa Rivers:

And people are like, oh, I think that I should have some sort of special, elevated grief. And it's like. It's just like everybody else. Grief is grief. It sucks. And everybody goes through it. That's the old joke. Death and taxes.

Kim:

That's the truth. Now, were you a good kid or were you, like, a rebel?

Melissa Rivers:

I was a medium child.

Kim:

Okay, me too.

Melissa Rivers:

I was a medium child. I certainly was not an angel, but do tell. I could have been a lot worse.

Kim:

Okay, did you. Did you, like, were you around tons of famous people growing up? you're so. You're so normal. You are so normal.

Melissa Rivers:

And again, you know what I mean by that. Yeah. This is, again, where it was parenting, okay? Because we had a very much. As I always call it, it was a separation of church and state.

Kim:

That's it. So work at work, at home was definitely separate.

Melissa Rivers:

Work at home was definitely separate. But my parents also had their offices in our house.

Kim:

Right.

Melissa Rivers:

Because they wanted to physically be there.

Zac:

And that way, too.

Kim:

Yeah. Truly.

Melissa Rivers:

But the thing was phones got turned off at 630 unless it was urgent time. You know, time was definitely. My mom was so different on stage than offstage.

Kim:

Yeah, I was gonna ask you, like. Cause she was such a trailblazer and such a powerhouse. Like in comedy. I remember her getting. She was the only late night female host. Like, what happened? Was she traditional in her wifehood and her motherhood? And then she was this powerhouse, or was she a true feminist? Like, who was she to her core?

Melissa Rivers:

She hated being called a feminist.

Kim:

Yeah, I get it.

Melissa Rivers:

She didn't. For her, being the best had nothing to do with men. In my entire life. I can only remember her once saying to me, God, this would have been so much easier if I was one of those people. Just put her head down. And I think we all know it would have been easier. But she never felt like she had to be. I don't even know the words I'm looking for.

Melissa Rivers:

Traditional to a point at home. But the best example is, up until the day she died, my friends still called her misses Rosenberg or misses R. And the phone at her house was answered. Rosenberg residence. And that was her married last name.

Kim:

Wow.

Melissa Rivers:

You know, it was such a difference of people. And I think a lot of that also, though, is generational.

Kim:

It's generational. But she honored. Honored femininity. She really did. Like she was. Listen, she told it like it was. And sometimes she was just downright, like, crass. I mean, she didn't care.

Kim:

I mean, she didn't hold anything back. But at the same time, there was such a femininity to it. I know that sounds bizarre.

Melissa Rivers:

We refer to her as the accidental feminist.

Kim:

Got it. Makes sense.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah.

Kim:

You said your mother hated getting older, but she worked up until, like, until she passed. I mean, like, she was in her eighties, correct, correct.

Melissa Rivers:

She was 81, and she performed the night before.

Kim:

Oh, God.

Melissa Rivers:

But that's how she wanted to go. She used to say, I either want to die in my sleep or tip over on stage. I do not want to be old and infirmity. And she had this wonderful dresser in Vegas for all these years. And in Vegas, it was part of our family, this woman, Ann Pierce, and she had this very heavy southern accent. She was from. Oh, my lord, I love Brownwood, Texas. And my mother always said, or is it Brownville? Was one of them? And she used to.

Melissa Rivers:

My mom would go, she would never let Annie wash her underwear, because she thought that was awful. And Annie's been like, now, Joan, it's part of my job. Just give me those pantyhose. And my mother used to say, I do not want to live a day past where I can't wash out my own underwear.

Kim:

I love it. Well, this is the thing. If your mom was alive today, she would be leading the charge in this over 50 and fabulous campaign that you and I are part of this Q 50. Yes. And you changed your name to rivers when you were in your twenties, right? Like, earlier.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah. It started right out of college. And everyone's like, why? I'm like, you know, my dad committed suicide.

Kim:

Yeah.

Melissa Rivers:

And I was very angry.

Kim:

Yes.

Melissa Rivers:

And that's sort of what stemmed it. And people was like, you did it for like, no, I did it out of anger. Do I regret doing it? Probably.

Kim:

Mm.

Melissa Rivers:

But so be it or not regret it. Like, would I have made a different decision now? Yeah, but you're talking to. You were talking about a 1920 year old who was really off and wanted, you know, to distance myself as far as I could.

Kim:

Do you talk about it in the book? I just got the book last week. Do you talk about it?

Melissa Rivers:

So that is a straight. I talk about it in my first book, which was actually my second book. This book that you just got is a straight up comedy book.

Kim:

I love it already. I read the first chapter.

Melissa Rivers:

There is nothing real in that book. Like, we talk about. My mother would just come up with. We would make up these conflated stories. Like, we have a story in the book about my mother being text buddies with the pope because they met at theater, standing in the line for the bathroom, and people say, oh, my God, did she really tell you these things? I'm like, my mother never knew the pope. I can promise you that, let alone have his cell phone. But I wanted to write a book. Everyone can't believe it because my writing partner, I capture her voice.

Melissa Rivers:

So people are like, that really happened? I'm like, no, it didn't really happen. We weren't driving through India, and my mother was throwing candy out the window. No, it didn't happen.

Kim:

That could have happened. Cause she. I'm telling you, people said Joan Rivers gave me a wad of cash one time, and I was just like. She was just like, here, be blessed. Going back to your father in committing suicide. My very best friend's father did the same. And you said that really? You were ticked? You were that he did it. How did your mom navigate that? Why did he do it? Have you ever come to terms with that, Melissa? Cause a lot of people.

Kim:

I mean, the suicide rate is up now, and I'm not trying to bring it all down serious, but, I mean, it's getting pretty bad out there.

Melissa Rivers:

Well, I am the co chair of the board of a very significant organization called Dee Dee Hirsch, mental Health Services and suicide prevention. I've been on the board for a long time, and this year I'm co chair. I always say that, you know, death is death is death, and mourning is morning and morning, and grief is grief is grief. The difference with certain things, and it's because everybody sort of goes through different experiences with suicide. You have what I call the whys and the if only.

Kim:

Yeah. Yes.

Melissa Rivers:

And you can, in most cases, you have to let them go. Why? Maybe someone was terminally ill. There are some whys, but the bottom line is there aren't always whys. A lot of it, of course, is tied back to mental health and things like that. But I know my father was highly depressed. And back in those days, they didn't have what they now call pharmacologists. And all these doctors, after his heart attack, had him on a bunch of different combinations of meds because this one upset his ulcer and then the one for his heart upset his back, whatever it was. And there was no one person.

Melissa Rivers:

And we know that that affected his depression. Sure, we know that now, but we certainly didn't know it then. So, you know, suicide, you know, the hard thing is to get your head around is, they say now, I don't know, but I've been told this, that when someone decides to do it, they actually feel relief. And that really helped me personally, do I, you know, which I never would have thought of unless I had spoken to a number of suicide attempt survivors. But suicide wreaks havoc on everyone around you.

Kim:

It does.

Melissa Rivers:

My mother and I didn't speak for almost a year. We had to choose to come back together.

Kim:

Oh, my gosh. I didn't know that.

Melissa Rivers:

It was very hard on our relationship. It was very hard on all. It's very hard on all relationships. For us, personally, I can say I forgave my father and have forgiven my father. I am very comfortable saying what he did was so incredibly wrong and awful and selfish. But that doesn't take away that I loved him and respected him. And as much as I have to respect his decision, which I think was a really bad decision, I learned how my mother never got past it, and she buried it in the excuse of I can never forgive him for what he did to Melissa.

Kim:

Now, I did not know that.

Melissa Rivers:

Yes. And so for me, from where I am now and being an advocate and even just being halfway intelligent or emotionally intelligent earlier. And I wasn't gonna say anything to her. Clearly she had not gotten over it.

Kim:

Yeah, well, yeah, I can understand that's.

Melissa Rivers:

What she has to say to make it okay for her to have never gotten over it. Fine. How does that affect me? Doesn't. You know, which I think is interesting. I mean, when she died, and in my 1st, 2nd book. First book, first book about her, the dedication is to my mother, who I missed every single day. And to my father, who is no longer resting in peace because she got there. So I saw.

Melissa Rivers:

I was by myself in the room, and it was just the nurse. I didn't hear her behind me sort of straightening up. She had passed and I started to laugh.

Kim:

She's coming for you. She's coming for you, Elizabeth.

Melissa Rivers:

And I hear from the nurse and I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, excuse me. I just had this funniest thought, and I realized my dad's having a real bad day. Is she still ? This is not a.

Kim:

Okay, Melissa, I want everybody to understand what she says. Like, when her mom got to the other side, to heaven, to meet her father, he's like, oh, man, she is.

Melissa Rivers:

Here and she is still .

Kim:

I love you so much. But this is what I'm saying. Your mother always took that. And, I mean, she would say, you know, she would talk about all the stuff in her life that she was dealing with and made it a message almost. She had some mess in her. You're the same way, Melissa, do you have that funny bone, too? I mean, like, to me talking to you, I mean, I think we spent like 30 minutes, 45 minutes talking in Vegas, and I was just like, oh, my God, Melissa is so, like, I could be your best girlfriend. We probably are. You don't know it yet.

Melissa Rivers:

Oh, but we don't live near each other. If we live near each other, if.

Kim:

We live near each other, it's on like donkey Kong. I mean, I just. I just. You're so down to earth and real. Do you have that funny bone like your mom did? I mean. Cause you were hilarious, girl, your one liners are priceless.

Melissa Rivers:

I think, you know, I think I'm funny. I would never dare to say I'm funny as my mom. Funny cannot be learned.

Kim:

No, it's in. Yeah. It's not.

Melissa Rivers:

And it's, you know, I was fortunate enough to grow up. My dad was incredibly dry and incredibly funny. And I find that my humor is much more like my dad's, which is why I was always. I was able to make my mom laugh.

Kim:

Laugh, right. Yeah, you reminded. Okay, but you just got engaged. Cause we were talking about it in Vegas. And the love of your life, like, I mean, are you just like a teenage girl? Are y'all making out all the time and all that?

Melissa Rivers:

Oh, God, no. At a certain age.

Kim:

Do you see what I'm saying? Oh, God, no. No.

Melissa Rivers:

And I don't. You know, I think, you know, we need the girl. And at one point, you learn it's more about the relationship than the hots.

Kim:

Yeah, I don't have any hots anymore. Except flashes.

Melissa Rivers:

Exactly. But a very good friend of my mother's who was this very famous actress from England who was, like, my mother's surrogate mother, and she slept with everybody back in the day.

Kim:

Can you tell who it is? Can you tell who it is or not?

Melissa Rivers:

You wouldn't know. It was a famous actress named Carl Brown.

Kim:

Okay, okay, okay.

Melissa Rivers:

She was Laurent Olivier's lady Macbeth and that whole british sort of town.

Kim:

Oh, yeah, that's like the uppity.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah.

Kim:

Upper crest.

Melissa Rivers:

And she was wickedly funny. And I remember her, and I was young saying to me, after this, after the first three months, it doesn't matter.

Kim:

The.

Melissa Rivers:

Isn't that good anymore.

Kim:

She's right. She's right, she's right.

Melissa Rivers:

You've done all your showing up off within the first six months. You don't have any tricks left.

Kim:

I'd rather have a good meal and a great laugh. I swear. Like, my husband and I, we laugh more than we do anything else. So fill in the blank there. There's nothing like it. The companionship, the love. So you're in love. When are y'all getting married? Melissa? Am I invited to the wedding?

Melissa Rivers:

And by the way, of course we.. Still like having sex, but it's not. No one's going home tearing clothes off.

Kim:

Good to hear. See? I feel normal.

Melissa Rivers:

Totally. Like, you know, it's healthy, it's appropriate.

Kim:

but it's not all that.

Melissa Rivers:

I'm just as happy to go to sleep.

Kim:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I gotta tell you, like, Travis and I lay in bed, and it's unfortunately. Unfortunately or unfortunately, however you wanna look at it for dudes. I mean, he's watching QVC now with me, so, I mean, he's hooked. Bless it. Bless him. Okay, Melissa, tell me this. The podcast, it is everything.

Kim:

It is hilarious.

Melissa Rivers:

Thank you.

Kim:

What made you start it? I've got. It's called Melissa Rivers Group text. You gotta tell me how it started. Cause, people, you have to download this.

Melissa Rivers:

How did it start? It started that I have lots of different, as we all do, groups of friends.

Kim:

You do.

Melissa Rivers:

And, you know, some play well with each other, others don't. And I find in my life, I have multiple different groups. And I always had, you know, you've got the group text with this one, the group text with that one.

Kim:

But I noticed your groups, Melissa, break it down. Your groups, like, okay, so break down the group because I know what you mean by that, but break down your groups.

Melissa Rivers:

We have a group called only the best people, which are my college friends and a few of their spouses. But you have. Steve was like, do I get to be on the only the best people group? I'm like, yeah, you do now, but you don't get to be on the super private one.

Kim:

Okay.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah. Then I have, like, one group of girlfriends. Then I have another group of friends.

Kim:

Are those your party girls? Are those the girls that's not your ride or dies?

Melissa Rivers:

No, my ride or die has her own.

Kim:

Okay.

Melissa Rivers:

She's a lone ride.

Kim:

She's a single. She's a single. Got it.

Melissa Rivers:

But the big one is, you know, and I didn't name it. We had that same group. Our one friend, hate it. Hates being on a group text.

Kim:

Yeah. So there's text non textures.

Melissa Rivers:

He kept trying to leave it, so we just kept starting new group text and adding him and kept using the name.

Kim:

Bless his heart. Listen, I'm a texter. Are you a big texter? Like, I rather text than talk. Like, I mean, I ain't got time for all of it. Just text me.

Melissa Rivers:

It depends what it's about. Obviously.

Kim:

Got it. Right. Have you ever texted anything inappropriate that, like, oh, this could come back and bite me in the butt if it gets out screenshot. Yeah, me too.

Melissa Rivers:

All the time.

Kim:

Because my cheeks get out. I'm done.

Melissa Rivers:

I'm just like, I always have to write hahaha or lol or put the.

Kim:

Emoji or a great emoji. I know emoji can take a text to a whole nother level, good and bad. So.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah, so I hate that. But, yeah, my big one is the. Is the college friend group, which is guys and girls.

Kim:

Yeah. Yeah.

Melissa Rivers:

And it's people who are too smart, too funny and competitive that someone always has to have the last line constantly.

Kim:

Yeah. So is that what the pod's about? Well, I know what it's about, but people watching.

Melissa Rivers:

No, it was, it started out more discussion based, but then I found out quickly that it was more fun just talking to celebrities because I live in such an interesting world where I kind of live on both sides.

Kim:

Yeah, you do. That's what I'm saying. You're just one of us. And then you have these celebrity people, right?

Melissa Rivers:

On the other hand, I've walked both sides of the red carpet so I can have conversations with people that, in celebrities in particular, that I can ask questions that most people can't, because I come from experience.

Kim:

And you also come from Joan Rivers, so.

Melissa Rivers:

That, too.

Kim:

You have that. You have that. Okay, before you go, I just want to. I just want to do one thing, because we always do this with everybody. Melissa, I'm just so thrilled. You have to. You are so smart, y'all. You don't even know.

Kim:

I talked to this woman for 45 minutes, and I thought to myself, oh, my gosh, she's my people. And that's what you do, Melissa. You make people feel at home in a very real way. I mean, you really do. I get emotional thinking about not meeting your mother, but I'm thinking, I'm talking to you. I'm like, God, now I know why Melissa's so great. I mean, you just had. You just have that.

Kim:

I wish you would be on as a guest at QVC. Cause you would kill. People would love you. They do already. But before you go, we've got to do a rapid fire. I just asked these one line questions. What comes up, comes out. I don't want you.

Kim:

I want you to, like, channel your mother right now. Oh, God. Bam. Do not hold anything back.

Melissa Rivers:

That'll ruin my day. Okay.

Kim:

No, no, this is it. I'm telling you, it's gonna be magical. And now that we're best friends , I mean, and I'll be on the podcast. We're friends, so here we go. I won't get it. Okay, here we go. What is your last text message that you sent? Can you read it just verbatim? What was your last text message? Just pick it up and put it out.

Melissa Rivers:

Last text message was wishing a friend happy birthday.

Kim:

Oh, that's good. Okay. Okay. That's. Anything else?

Melissa Rivers:

My last interesting one.

Kim:

That's my point.

Melissa Rivers:

Hold on. I'm trying to find one from. Oh, here we go. We were on a whole thing about God only knows what. Oh, a friend of ours rewrote the words to a song. So someone said, in addition to their lackluster historical erudition, you skewer and weak their english grammar. Kudos.

Kim:

I'm pretty much not able to be on that text strand with you. I'm not that smart. I'd have to look up those words, by the way.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah. This is the only. The best people.

Kim:

That's the competitive strand, right?

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah. I sent something, and they literally. I was doing it really fast, and I used, like, there instead of there, of course. And the first thing everyone did was correct my grammar.

Kim:

Grammar? The grammar. I can't. Okay, that's your next show. The grammar police text message.

Zac:

Is it okay to correct grammar in a text message?

Kim:

Really? That's rude.

Melissa Rivers:

It's very rude because it's who we are with each other. And everyone always has to have. And we have one friend that we. We beat up on all the time because we have fun doing it.

Kim:

Yeah, well, that would be me. Yeah. It is fun. It is fun. And everybody has that person in their family or the group that's like the little mini punching bag, and they secretly love it because they get all the attention. What is your favorite emoji?

Melissa Rivers:

Either the laughing with the tears or I quite like the smiling devil.

Kim:

Ooh, I can see. All right. Did you know what the eggplant emoji was? Cause I did not send it out to the whole family and even have done it with my kids friends.

Melissa Rivers:

I've learned quickly.

Kim:

I did, too.

Melissa Rivers:

It had nothing to do with vegetables.

Kim:

Correct.

Melissa Rivers:

My son is older than yours, so I've had this knowledge for a minute.

Kim:

Well, before I send any emojis out, I'm running it by you to make sure it's appropriate. If you can invite one historical figure to dinner, who would you dine with?

Melissa Rivers:

Mmm.

Kim:

Mm hmm.

Melissa Rivers:

Winston Churchill.

Kim:

Oh, me too.

Melissa Rivers:

Really?

Kim:

Yes.

Kim:

Oh, yes. Tell me why. Tell me why.

Melissa Rivers:

Fascinating. Brilliant. Got knocked down. Got back up. Brilliant order. Tough. Funny.

Kim:

Tough. It's funny and tough as native.

Melissa Rivers:

Witty. Wow.

Kim:

Me too. That's one of my people, too.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah.

Kim:

And can I just be honest with you? Your mom's on my list, too. Oh, my God.

Melissa Rivers:

Well, thank you.

Kim:

Yeah. Okay. But sitting with you is just as good, too. What's the one thing you do every day that you wish you didn't have to do ever again?

Melissa Rivers:

Dry my hair.

Kim:

Hair torture.

Melissa Rivers:

I don't have to do it every day, but, like, I see I'm really good at milking a blow dry. I'm terrible at it, and I hate doing it.

Kim:

Do you have really thick hair? See, I have really fine and thin hair, so I have to load it up with product. What about yours?

Melissa Rivers:

I have really wavy, curly hair.

Kim:

Yeah. Oh, gosh. So to get it straight, it's a job. It's like, you have to have muscles.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah. Yeah. But I like the fact that I can just do the front and put the rest in a pony.

Kim:

Yeah. I love the bangs, too. I know you said your mom wouldn't like them, but I. They're precious. I love it.

Melissa Rivers:

And I have all cowlicks along the front, so it's a commitment.

Kim:

It's. Yeah. Sometimes I do it just so I don't have to. Well, dry my hair. I will let my hair go for even five days without washing it. And I don't want anybody judging me. Cause I don't care what you. You think.

Kim:

No way.

Melissa Rivers:

It's why God invented dry shampoo.

Kim:

Hello. Okay. What is the most surreal celebrity experience that you've ever had? Melissa?

Melissa Rivers:

I horribly embarrassed myself in front of Peyton Manning because I was such a fan and made such a fool of myself and.

Kim:

Tell us what you did. Tell us what you did.

Melissa Rivers:

So I get to meet him, and I'm, like, near tears. I can't believe this is happening to me.

Kim:

Did you have a crush on him, like, you thought he was hot?

Melissa Rivers:

No, I just. I'm a huge sports nuthenne.

Kim:

Oh, okay. Okay.

Melissa Rivers:

And I was a hardcore Peyton is better than Tom Brady person.

Kim:

Oh, that's controversial.

Melissa Rivers:

But I had very good reasons why I felt that way.

Kim:

Personal reasons or sports reasons?

Melissa Rivers:

Sports reasons.

Kim:

Okay, good.

Melissa Rivers:

By the way. And I still believe Tom Brady is. And paint me the greatest. I think they're fantastic. Both of them up there, I think, you know?

Kim:

Yeah.

Melissa Rivers:

But I was hardcore. Peyton got it, and I got to meet him, and of course, I stumbled my way through. I'm such a fan. And we were at an event, and then I said, you know, when I play Madden, I pretend I'm you.

Kim:

Okay, so it's stalker.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah. And then the next day, I went up. It was a two day event to. It was at the Indy 500, and I went up to sort of, like, redeem myself, and I just kept saying the same to the point that another friend of mine came up and, like, had to, like, excuse me, like.

Kim:

A total, you know, he's from Tennessee.

Zac:

So he's like, wait, what did.

Kim:

He is my own. Yes, ma'am.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah, well, I pretty much blacked out on the whole thing. But the first, like, he was trying to be gracious, but all of a sudden, you have. He's huge, and you have this five foot three, almost sobbing, quote unquote celebrity at the same event as you that, you know, you can't get away from all weekend. And I did it also like an idiot, I did it at our 250 event. You did?

Kim:

With who?

Melissa Rivers:

I swear to God, I stalked Billie Jean King.

Kim:

Oh, my God. Me too. And Martha Stewart. I was crazy. Nutbag. Oh, my.

Melissa Rivers:

Listen, and Donna. Kelsey.

Kim:

Yeah. I kind of laid low on Donna because I was thinking, like, look, I don't want. I can't have that rep. You know what I'm saying? Oh, my. Billie King. King. I asked for her number. I asked for her phone number.

Kim:

Like a fool.

Melissa Rivers:

I had her make a video for Cooper's lacrosse team, wishing them luck. And then the worst part is, she was in the back.

Kim:

She did it.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah, she was in the bathroom. And I went into the bathroom not knowing she was there, and I come around the corner, and she's washing her hands. Thank God. And I'm like, she's gonna think I followed her into the bathroom.

Kim:

Yeah, you did. You did. I didn't.

Melissa Rivers:

I had to go. I didn't know she was in there. And then Donna. Kelsey, because I am a huge Eagles fan.

Kim:

Yeah, they're good.

Melissa Rivers:

And I, like, I go, you realize you're this. That you're the spirit animal and the patron saint of all sports moms.

Kim:

All sports moms. That's it. It's like, she is this. She's the ultimate. She's the. She's the original. She's the OG, she's the top.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah. And then I.

Kim:

Son is dating Taylor Swift. I mean, come on, people.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah. And then I asked her best friend if I could jump to the front of the line and get a new hats. Baseball hat. And they just laughed at me.

Kim:

Yeah, Melissa, I'm the same way. I did the same thing with Martha Stewart. I actually peed on myself.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah. I literally embarrassed myself.

Kim:

I know. I would do that if your mom was around, too. So just letting you know, you know, she got out. She got out just in the.

Melissa Rivers:

And then Billie Jean posted a picture of us, and I liked it, and I said, oh, my God, I'm so honored. And Cooper's team loved the video. Blah, blah, blah. Let's stay in touch.

Kim:

Did you ask for her number? I asked for her number. No.

Melissa Rivers:

And I got, like, the little. She wrote, like, absolutely. And, like, the little thumbs up. Then I text her another time, and nothing.

Kim:

Okay. And Patti Labelle. I mean, I think. I mean, I really did. And Queen Latifah, honey. Queen Latifah. I feel like Queen Latifah. That would.

Kim:

I mean, I'm just saying, like, there was a lot of people there. But, see, I felt that way about you. But I thought, I don't want to be stupid. I don't want to be cheesy. And, you know, finally my mom said, look, be cheesy. Go up and talk to the woman. Just tell her what you mean to say. You know, my mom tells it like.

Melissa Rivers:

I was busy stalking.

Kim:

Stalker. Stalker one nine. Okay, who would you play. Who would play you in a movie of your life? Who would play you, and who would play your mom?

Melissa Rivers:

Well, my mother always said she wanted Cate Blanchett, because clearly they're so similar.

Kim:

Oh, my God, I love Kate.

Melissa Rivers:

She's like, yes.

Kim:

Fabulous.

Melissa Rivers:

She's like, yes. Cause I'm tall. She's tall. My mom's like, yes, because I'm tall. Blonde and patrician. Me. Oh, God, I don't know. I don't know.

Melissa Rivers:

I can't even. David Spade. I don't know.

Kim:

I love David. Easily.

Melissa Rivers:

Sarcastic and not in there. And hair is usually slightly unkempt.

Kim:

I love you, I swear. Okay, as a child, what was the moment you realized, like, your mom and daddy, like, famous, like, when did that hit you? You're like, what?

Melissa Rivers:

You never have that moment because it's something you. So it's just like, background noise. Like, you never have moment where it dawns on you.

Kim:

Okay, well, that's fair. That's fair enough. Are our cell phones listening to us?

Melissa Rivers:

It is when you forget to hang up on someone.

Kim:

Oh, I've done it. We've all done it. Have you ever text the wrong person? All the time about somebody else. And you text. You were texting about them to someone else, and you text it to them?

Melissa Rivers:

I don't think I've gone that far.

Kim:

I've done it.

Melissa Rivers:

I have done a lot of long, rambling texts to people that they were not intended for. We've all done it. And then you got to back your way out of it.

Kim:

I said, they'll text me back. Wrong, Maria. I'm like, sorry, I.

Melissa Rivers:

All the time.

Kim:

What tv show are you watching right now that you love?

Melissa Rivers:

What are we really into? You're gonna love. We've gotten really into family feud.

Kim:

Okay. Steve Harvey. Yes. He's my brother from another mother. Yes. I love.

Melissa Rivers:

Steve Harvey's answers are so.

Kim:

You couldn't write it.

Melissa Rivers:

Absurdity. So I have to say we're laughing at it.

Kim:

Yeah. You're being entertained.

Melissa Rivers:

Yes, yes.

Kim:

Yeah. It's fantastic. You can't make that stuff up.

Melissa Rivers:

No.

Kim:

You can't make it up.

Melissa Rivers:

No.

Kim:

What does being an icon mean to you?

Melissa Rivers:

Someone who put their stamp on their place in history. But I think, you know, they have to also be a bit of trailblazers. Like, when you say iconic, it was the kind of first of its kind.

Kim:

First of its kind. Yeah. What was the funniest joke you had with your mom?

Melissa Rivers:

Well, like I said, she really enjoyed trying to set me off.

Kim:

Yeah.

Melissa Rivers:

And that was her own sick humor. Cause she would literally say, watch, I'm gonna get her upset right now. And she would say something, and I would just lose it, you know? Or she would say, oh, I'm gonna do XYZ. Like, don't you dare. Like, she's like, how can you still fall for this?

Kim:

Yes. Yeah. Cause it's your mom. Yeah. All right, who is your celebrity crush?

Melissa Rivers:

Oh, my current one.

Kim:

Yeah.

Melissa Rivers:

Oh, Ryan Reynolds.

Kim:

Everybody's saying Ryan Reynolds. Everybody. Is it because of deadpool?

Melissa Rivers:

No, it's because he's handsome, and he is hilarious.

Kim:

He's funny.

Melissa Rivers:

Hilarious.

Kim:

He's funny.

Melissa Rivers:

Yeah.

Kim:

Ryan Reynolds. That's a good one. Favorite junk food. Sweet and salty.

Melissa Rivers:

Again, that all rotates.

Kim:

Okay.

Melissa Rivers:

This week, I'm gonna would be a combo with the sea salt chocolate chip cookies.

Kim:

Mm.

Melissa Rivers:

I had those at a dinner party. They were really good.

Kim:

Wow. What's your, like, your down and dirty fast food drive through? Nobody should know but McDonald's or Jack.

Melissa Rivers:

In the box tacos.

Kim:

Okay, McDonald's what the french fries, big Mac.

Zac:

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Kim:

Sorry. Okay, hold on. I gotta do McDonald's first. Yeah. Like, what's your go to? McDonald's can't beat the fries.

Melissa Rivers:

You know, I would normally, like, as a kid, I would do the quarter pounder, but now I just do the regular hamburger just for the same satisfaction and not having to have the whole.

Kim:

Quarter pounder at the same height. Okay, the tacos. Okay, there you go.

Zac:

Jack in the box tacos.

Melissa Rivers:

Okay. They used to have a thing called the super taco, which I don't think they have anymore. I think they just have, like, the normal tacos and the little mini tacos, but a jack in the box super taco and the seasoned curly fries with a Diet Coke.

Kim:

Well, you have to be diet because you're watching. Yeah. Okay.

Melissa Rivers:

Happy camper.

Zac:

We used to, in college get the meaty breakfast burrito from Jack in the box.

Melissa Rivers:

I know that, but I loved. Yeah, but also, like, Cooper has inherited this from me. A strange love of taco Bell.

Kim:

Oh, taco Bell is everything. Yes.

Melissa Rivers:

Or as we like to call it, taco hell.

Kim:

That's what Travis calls it. He's talking, and I'm telling you, if you've never tried a bean burrito with extra onions.

Melissa Rivers:

Oh, the bean and cheese burrito. It's baking, girl. It's basically lardhead.

Kim:

It's lard.

Zac:

Their sciences are, like, second to none. Like, the scientists that work at the Taco bell, like, chemical factory are doing God's work.

Melissa Rivers:

The taco bell.

Zac:

Have you seen the new thing they have, which is just essentially a giant cheez it? A giant cheez it? Yeah, yeah.

Melissa Rivers:

No, I've missed that. But I like when they do. Was it the Gordita or was it one that Gordita? What's the one that's the taco in the burrito or the burrito? It's just disgusting.

Kim:

But it's disgusting so good. And it's. You can get one with the Dorito shell. Like the Dorito dust. Okay. I'm telling you, we could go on for date. Melissa, I absolutely love you. I have one last question for you.

Melissa Rivers:

Go ahead.

Kim:

What is one thing that you want people to remember about the legacy of your mother? Because you are trying to preserve her legacy. Aren't you going to do a legacy website? You're doing all that to honor her. What's that one thing you want people to remember about her legacy and who she was?

Melissa Rivers:

She loved her life.

Kim:

Oh, my God. Right?

Melissa Rivers:

She loved her life. She would always say, look at how luck. How lucky am I?

Kim:

I'm telling you, that's all I hear about that woman is how grateful and how giving she was. Y'all. You can find Melissa Rivers at her website, melissarivers.com. she's on Instagram. You've got to follow her. It's so funny. @melissariversofficial and on Facebook. Facebook @officialmelissarivers.

Kim:

You have to read this book. Okay. I've already gotten into one chapter, and she's right. It is so funny. Lies. My mother's told me tall tales from a short woman. And make sure you subscribe to her podcast. Melissa Rivers group text.

Kim:

Melissa, thank you. I love you. I'm so blessed to know you. And I just. Let's keep doing our thing, girl over 50. Fabulous. All right, girl. Congratulations on your engagement.

Kim:

Show us the ring as you're leaving. Show us the ring.

Melissa Rivers:

I shot it to a person I.

Kim:

Know, but I want people to see. Is that real?

Melissa Rivers:

No, it's diamond ink.

Kim:

It's diamond ink. There you go. There you go. It's a 327292. All right, y'all, grab it. Oh, my God. Oh, that's right. J 272926.

Melissa Rivers:

Got a J number.

Kim:

I love it. All right, girl. We'll talk soon. I'm having a bad vision. I think these are old contacts, so I've got to do some new ones. I am an emoji nut job. I love it so much. So the fact that this episode is sponsored by emojis makes me happy.

Kim:

Okay.

Melissa Rivers:

Am I allowed to swear?

Kim:

Yeah, why not? Do it. Go for it.

Zac:

I like how you were like. It's like a. It's a.

Kim:

Let's just start the show. Let's start it.

Kim:

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