You Are Made For More with Dr. Jackie Greene

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Kim Gravel: Coming up on the Kim Gravel Show. Sometimes I don't have the power to say no, like to me sometimes. And I'll say this too. Okay, Dr. Jackie, help me out with this.

Dr. Jackie Greene: And I will tell women until I have my last breath that girl that is lonely that you see in your dreams. She's real. Stop saying that's not you stop being afraid of being the fullness and the beauty of and the exceptional nature of what you see Go after her.

Kim Gravel: Oh my god, that's the best answer ever.

I swear drop mic. That's the best answer I've ever heard.

Opening Introduction: Let's just go on and spill the tea. This is The Kim Gravel Show. This is one of the realest persons I've ever met in my darn life. You gotta watch this. My mission is to encourage every single woman, we're here to lift y'all up. There's no one more effective than moms. You mess with the bull. You going to get the horns. I need coffee. I need Jesus and I need therapy. If you can bring a smile to people's faces, why would you not? We love our kids. We love our husbands. What a blessing. We're gonna dedicate this to you in finding your superpower. Okay girl. True confidence is knowing who you are and why you're here.

Kim Gravel: Hey y'all, Kim Gravel here. And this is The Kim Gravel Show. And every single episode, we are trying to give you tips, tricks, and inspiration, aspiration, encouragement to level up your life because y'all, we only get one. And I can tell you if you ain't dead, you're not done. So there is time to really live the life of your dreams and level.

Up your life is life tough. Absolutely. Is it, you know, hard? Is it always a bed of roses? Absolutely not. But even through the tough times, you can make steps towards success to level up your life. And this week. Zac, we are going to be talking about just that, not only just leveling up your life, but how to do it.

 Today's guest is Dr. Jackie Greene. She went from dentist to pastor. She has a brand new book called Permission to Live Free. And the key word in that to me, Zac, is permission. And you say, what does that mean? Well, she's going to tell us, but I think. By the end of this episode, Zac, we're going to have the permission to really live this leveled up free life that we're all looking for.

I really do. When we come back, we're going to welcome Dr. Jackie Greene right after this.

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I'm telling you, she went from dentist, uh huh, dentist to pastor. She co pastors with her husband, Forward City Church in Columbia, South Carolina. Her husband, Travis Greene, is a gospel musician. He's been nominated for five Grammys. She has got a new book out. Called permission to live free. And it was released in April with the publisher, Thomas Nelson.

We're actually sisters. Cause I'm with Thomas Nelson too. She hosts a podcast called permission talk, and she's all about empowering women to live their fullest potential. And you know, I love that. But when I tell you, please welcome, I cannot wait to dig into this brilliant woman, Dr. Jackie Greene, welcome to the Kim Gravel show.

Don't you love it? You have, you have a lead in song, girl.

Dr. Jackie Greene: That's really, really nice.

Kim Gravel: I'm so glad you're here, Jackie. So I'm gonna call you doctor. Cause you've earned that. Well, I'm going to tell you right now, I am so excited about this book because first of all, we have to just jump in. Okay. And you've got to tell us.

What you mean by permission, because to me that caught my eye immediately when you say permission to live free. What are you? What are you talking about Dr. Jackie?

Dr. Jackie Greene: So when I say that a woman lives with permission, I am speaking to this idea. That we have a decision to make to be precisely, but not just specificity and fully this ability to take up the full space and capacity of what we've been created to be.

I think many times Kim will recognize that we're unique and that we're different. We're other than yet, but we will not always lock. It's the fullness of the other than nature that we've been created to be. So I'll give you an example practically. We know that we are a pencil, that we own, I'm a pencil.

But instead of sometimes adding a little cursive, we'll settle for just writing in print. When, when pencils are not just created to write in print, they can also be erased, they can be used for architectural detail. I am asking and inviting women to not just embrace one part of themselves. But all of the fact that you've been made with a unique, specified design that God made all of you to be created for.

And you've been authorized to be this unique, custom made thing that He made, and He's inviting us to live in the fullness of that. And so, I want us to just occupy some of the space. of our creation. I want us to do it in full.

Kim Gravel: Okay, you, okay, you, I had to write this down because you've just dropped about 5, 000 nuggets in just what you just said.

So I made a little note, because when you said, other than I, my whole, my spirit just went, boop, it, it just leapt. You've got to, you've got to speak what, what does that mean? I mean, I think I know what it means, but I like what you're saying. What does other than me? Cause you got to get it. Dig in, go deep.

Dr. Jackie Greene: Yeah. Yeah. So when I speak to other than, oftentimes we just take it at face value. I'm a woman, I'm a mother, just like anyone else. No, no, no, no. We were handcrafted, uniquely designed, but father said in the word. That before he even created us, before we came to be in our mother's womb, he formed us and he knew us formed us.

There was something in mind that God wanted to answer a problem on the earth. And he thought he thought of creating us. So we are in this answer to a problem that he got his hands involved. Breathe his breath into that. When he does that, because we belong to something that is other than that is holy, that is set apart, that is not normal or not common.

We, we become. An image bearer of who he is, made in his image and his likeness. He being like no one else, exceptional in his creation, being that we were made to emulate him, so are we. And I want women to feel that in their, like, in their personhood. You are not ordinary and stop saying that you are. Stop just being critical about your nature.

See that you got a little up to your curves and all of that. All of that's a part of your unique design. That you may not speak like everyone else, speak that your personality is different. But begin to love the skin you're in because you cannot hold the permission that you've been granted. By the father, it could come to a critique.

Kim Gravel: Yeah, me too. Me too. And I love when you say like, cause, cause when you said being a mom, cause I think so many women and I can speak for myself, but I can speak cause I talked to a lot of women and I know you do too, Dr. Jackie, but women are always saying, I'm a mom or I'm just a, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm just a wife. I'm just a daughter. I'm just a mom. Is that what you're talking about with this? Other than there's so much more. out there for us. Is that what you're talking about?

Dr. Jackie Greene: You are leaning right into it. I do feel like we oftentimes just settle for what we've experienced so far. When you live in the permission to live in freedom, that means that there's no limit, no limits.

There's no boundaries. If you're still here and you still have breath, obviously there's more to the creator had in mind. for your creation to do. And so it's like the, the lioness that was locked up being able to be released back onto the front legs. And I talk about it in my book, her legs are stretched out as she's beginning to run in the open space of the Savannah, ready to conquer whatever is at hand.

And I want that from my moms who just set out to just be a mom or just be a wife. What else is there in you that's still leaping and wanting to come forth what baby is overdue that wants to have life and give birth to that thing. So yes, it's this other than this more than that we still have as an option for us because we still have breath.

Kim Gravel: That's your next book. I'm just telling you right there. I'm just giving you that right now. That is. That is so amazing. And it's not, you know, it's not less than it's not more than it's other. There's more, there's, there's other things for people to do. I absolutely, for especially women. I love this. Okay.

How did you find this message? How, well, let me say this. How did this message find you and what kind of revelations did you go through? Cause you talk, you sound like you've lived this a little bit.

Dr. Jackie Greene: And that's what I was going to say to you, Kim. I say this all the time, no matter where I'm speaking, the best message, Rikki, The best message preached is the one you've actually had to live and permissioned live to live free came to be because it was my real story.

I live a prophet prophesied this over me and I love to say it. I suffer from the paralysis of analysis for way too long, always critiquing, if I could just finish this, if I could just be that, if I can just add this, then I'll be not recognizing that I already was. And because I'm older, then I can do, and the things that I do not being who I am or making me more valuable, but the essence of who I've been created to be, the beloved God, our daughter, who's been fearfully and wonderfully made, is the gift.

It's the thing that gives me value, and therefore I can go do other things from that position itself. It was my story, and I was sick of living in that fear of that comfort, that striving, that trauma, that people pleasing for so long, and I wanted to be free people with the same measure that I had been free.

Kim Gravel: Well, and that's the thing. That's how come, you know, I just absolutely love your book because you speak from personal experience. And there's one experience you talked about that one of the things that you had to do was slow down. Okay, and I think we all can get with that, right? We all can say We need to slow down.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here. But then you said and be honest with yourself. And to me, that's where sometimes I know for myself and a lot of us listening right now get tripped up. We know we need to slow down, but what do you mean by getting honest with ourselves? Because that's not always fun.

Dr. Jackie Greene: Yeah, I feel like you cannot step over a thing that you won't first recognize you're blocked by. No, I'll give you an example.

Kim Gravel: You, you gotta, you gotta stop. You gotta no, you can't blow by that. I got to hear that one more time. Slow.

Dr. Jackie Greene: Many times you are unable to step over a thing that you will not first recognize that you've been blocked by.

And for me, so I'll give you an example. My husband, he is, you know, in all whites, a great person doing a lot of amazing things. I use the excuse. An excuse is something that is not real, that if he would just support me more, I could actually go and become all to the father I created. It was not the thing blocking me.

The true thing that was blocking me, Kim, was fear. I can't step over fear if I will not address it. Fear is the actual stumbling block. And so, rather than naming it fear, I named it, I need some more support. And so, I'm trying to gain more support, and that's not the thing that I'm wrestling with. It's not the hurdle that I'm trying to jump over.

When I would finally be honest and say, you know what, I'm afraid to step out here to do this thing because I don't know if I'll be good at it if I do it, afraid of failing, the fear of perfectionism, of not being perfect. And when I could identify that, I could clearly see the thing that I actually needed to jump over and I was able to finally do it when it would just be honest that that was the thing I was dealing with.

Kim Gravel: Don't you think that fear for women in particularly is the thing that really holds us back?

Dr. Jackie Greene: Yeah. So much. And I will tell women until I have my last breath. Girl that love the man that you see in your dreams, she's real. Stop. Stop saying That's not you. Stop being afraid of being the fullness and the beauty, and the exceptional nature of what you've seen.

Go anchor to her. Give her like nurture her. Give her permission to live in the fullness of who she's, who she is. Stop dimming her, like stop shrinking her down to what you feel as if people can accept. Let her live. That's what the old permission to live pre message is about. You've seen her, you know her, you let her show herself in glimpses.

Give her permission to show up every single day in every single facet that she's called to.

Kim Gravel: Don't you think, Dr. Jackie, that once you, if you can see it, you can, you can live it, you can be it, because like, like, I love how you say that you catch glimpses of her, but don't you think all of us, everybody listening to us right now, don't you think they see themselves how they could be?

Right? Or you wouldn't even have a dream to begin with. Like if you, like a dream as you see it, and if you can see it, you can be it. Right?

Dr. Jackie Greene: Absolutely. And many times we see parts of ourselves in other women, which is why we're drawn to them, Kim. And we'll, we'll say things like, Oh my God, if I could just be as fiery as her.

Generally, you're, you're, leaning or being pulled toward that because it has something to do with you. I remember, you can't tell now because I got on a cute wig, but I shaved the sides of my head. And, I used to look at girls like, oh my God, I could ever be as bold enough to shave my hair and not care what other people would think.

It was a telltale sign of what the father was calling me into in terms of my freedom. You're not drawn to things by happenstance. That's the intentional nature of the father pulling you toward another level of freedom that he also has for you. And so pay attention to what you're drawn to. I like girls like you for just, just themselves, authentic, fully who they are, not trying to hold it back, only in the fullness of it.

Because I too was called to be that kind of girl.

Kim Gravel: Yeah. Like you said, you drawn to what you, what you know, what you want, what you, what you already are. Okay. So when we come back, we're going to have more with Dr. Jackie Greene. We're going to talk about. What is counterfeit living? And we're going to talk about this, these kinds of fears and these kinds of types of women.

I love this in the book. I don't want to give it all away cause you got to come back. That are not yet living with permission right after this.

All right, we're back. We're back with Dr. Jackie Greene. We're talking all things permission to live free. Dr. Jackie, you are, we were talking before the break about, Really stepping in and seeing yourself and, and not letting fear hold us back. It sounds so good, but dare I say without making it like ticking people off when I say this, it's simple, right?

This, this authentic living. Is it, is it simple? Tell me?

Dr. Jackie Greene: It's so simple that it becomes complicated sometimes because we really believe that there's so much we have to do. There's so much we have to gain. There's so much that we need to accomplish in order to be. But I can just tell you this, it's much easier to talk how I actually talk.

It's much easier to laugh how I actually laugh. It's much easier to love how I actually love than to try to love, than to try to be, than to try. Trying is not being, and I'm wanting to invite more women to just be who you really are and allow the people that love it and love it and those that don't to find the people that they do love and not feel any less good about yourself because you're just called to a certain people.

You see it in the Bible. Paul was called a son, Peter was called a son, but it doesn't make either one of them less valuable. Correct. We were just called a select group of people.

Kim Gravel: Yeah, they call it to their journey, their path, their purpose. Okay. What is counterfeit living to you? I

Dr. Jackie Greene: believe that I saw it in my own life.

Generally, we show up to be less than, more than, who we were created to be. And I know we talked about other than in a positive connotation earlier, but we won't be the fullness of who we were created to be. So we dim our light or we'll put on all the labels, put on all of the different things behind our name, all the letters.

To be more than who we were created to be or other than you know that you're not shy but you keep walking into rules Just completely Not the nature that the father created will be other than who the father created any one of those options killed Is not actually being who you were made to be and i'm saying share those falsehoods and actually Have the courage to be who you were actually made to be because it is what the father made and we don't understand That we're actually agreeing with god in obedience When we agree with who he may, period.

Kim Gravel: Okay, but this is the thing. Why do you think we go in, because to solve the problem, we got to understand, like you said earlier, we have one and got to be real with ourselves. Why do you think it becomes easier to live the counterfeit us than it is Just to be that genuine, authentic article, be ourselves authentically.

Dr. Jackie Greene: I talk about five women killed, five personas, so to speak. It was the five things that kept me, or I would say, or made it easier in one season of my life to not live in the fullness of my authenticity. Number one was fear. Number two might take you by surprise, it was comfort. I call it comfortable, Courtney, in the book.

Many times we get so used to the comfort of our past success. So it's, I won a cheerleading award. I was miss Georgia hard. You know, I won this pageant in 1998. Well, baby, it's 2023. We're going to have to go beyond the last success of the comfort of what we used to be to actually, beat your off to experiment, to find out who we can be.

And we're getting really used to who we've always been. So we get comfortable with me and mommy and that becomes our security blanket. Another one is trauma. We've had people say, when we try to step out and do the new thing that we were called to do, you're not good enough, or you're, you know, you, whatever, you know, these negative word things that come to traumatize us.

Another one is being unsupported. We don't have people in our village echoing or affirming who we've been created to be. And the last one is people pleasing. Many times we want to be. pleasing to other people that we don't recognize it is first and most important to be pleasing to God and who he made us to be.

And so we get very, very satisfied in these altered versions of who God actually made us to be. And we all step fully into who we were actually made to be.

Kim Gravel: Okay. This pleasing thing, we got to take a little, we got to sit on that for a hot minute because I think in, in I think women in particular, this is probably, you call her pleasing Pam.

I think Pam is in all of us as women. And I, why do you think that is? I mean, for me, sometimes I just don't want to rock the boat. Sometimes I feel like, and I'm talking here. I'm coming to you, doctor, to tell me why I'm a pleasing Pam. But sometimes I don't have the, the power to say. No, like to me sometimes.

And I'll say this too. Okay, Dr Jackie, help me out with this because sometimes for me personally, it's just easier to say yes and just handle it and just do it and just shut that person up or just fix the problem or just handle the situation. It's just easier sometimes. Why are we such people pleasers?

Dr. Jackie Greene: You know, I found in my life, Kim, most often I was asking or looking for external affirmation or wanting people to go along with our beliefs. I was good enough because I didn't believe it about myself. I was come on looking without rather than understanding that from within I could be fulfilled. And so, you know, we often say these things like it's just easier to go along.

It's easier on the front end, but when I go along to get along, on the second, but I get home and I'm suffering from frustrations or bitterness because I didn't say the truth of what I actually felt the, the emotional torment that comes along with that. Or when I have given a yes, when it should have been a note and I've taken away time that I should have had for myself, that's actually hard on me too.

And I didn't get to the place. To where I could actually put my foot down and say, no, I don't have time to do this or I have these boundaries to give until I had big, the bitter fruit of the back end of not be truthful of what I truly believe in the pleasing side of things, too many times. And so that's what helped me.

But the major reason I feel like I did it was because I wasn't sure that my boundary was good enough. I wasn't sure that I was good enough and I was waiting for somebody to say, Oh, if you do this thing, you're loving enough or if you do this thing, you're good enough. I, I need all for myself, something that I was waiting for someone to tell me.

That was my personal truth.

Kim Gravel: Yeah, I totally can relate to that. And sometimes I would settle and just be a people pleaser just to get right now instead of just saying, no, not pretty much not going to do that to have the best later. I will say the older I've gotten, Dr. Jackie, I have been like, yeah, I'm pretty much not going to do that.

If you can't do it this way, then we ain't going to do it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, it's to that point. And I love what you say. You're talking about unsupportive, unique. You surround, this is this particular woman. Who surrounds herself with people who do not support her, did not support the person that she is and that God created her to be.

You say, find your people. I think that is single hand. Can I just say to you, Dr Jackie, right now, I want you to speak to this. I'm dealing with something like this right now in my life. With a friend, who, because when you said the people pleasing thing too, I'm sorry to go off, go off the wall, because I hate to make it about me, but honey, you, you're very knowledgeable.

I need, I need your advice. So like. She, she has this thing that she knows in a certain situation that is destructive, that's been destructive towards her Children and she's holding the secret to be this pleaser. She doesn't want to rock the boat. Okay. Okay. And it's eating her alive. Dr. Jackie, when she gets home, like you said, remember when you said you get home, it just, the bitterness would set in, it's eating her alive.

But these people that she needs to go and share this information with, that would be a game changer are unsupportive. So not only is she trying to please just to make it easier, but now she, if she does expose this thing, Dr. Jackie, she's doing it to unsupported people. Yeah. Can you. Tell her what she needs to do with this situation.

Dr. Jackie Greene: I'll say this, and I have found this out for the young lady that you're speaking about. The only thing worse than no hill, the only thing worse than no community is the wrong community. Come on. It can be more detrimental to lose or have taken from you that what you know you need by the wrong group of people than it would be to actually just go on with your life and believe that the father will bring you the people that you needed.

So what I would generally do in moments where I'm so afraid to share the news or whatever the case may be. He is imagine the worst because the enemy only has the hypothetical of, Oh my God. So they all become not your friend. Well, they're not your friends anyway, if they don't support you. So you've already experienced.

I'm saying do whatever is necessary to actually, be good to you. And if it is something on the inside of you that needs to be said, say it. And if the bottom falls out, let it fall. Come on! Face the worst. Don't live in fear of what could be. Face it. And if the worst happens, it happens. You trust that the same God that was with you on the mountain?

We'll be with you in the battle because he has proven himself to be that you cannot look back on your life at a time where you thought, Oh my God, there's no way I can get through this, that you didn't get through it. You're still alive here and he got you through that. He'll get you through this. He'll get you a new set of friends that will actually be supported and maybe won't be put in a situation where you couldn't share your truth again anyway.

So my, my admonishment to that young lady. He is face to worse and do what is necessary to get the right group around you because the right help is so necessary in this particular season.

Kim Gravel: Well, and I'll tell you this, Dr. Jackie, everybody wants their people and, and it's not always 20, 30 people. Sometimes.

I mean, it was 12. Okay. Jeez, that 12. Then he had three. And then he had one, okay, so like, it's, there is certain, I totally agree with you because finding, aligning yourself with people who celebrate you or at the very least just will listen to you and to be supportive, that's, that's the key. It's really a big key and game changer in success, wouldn't you say?

Dr. Jackie Greene: Absolutely. What you said, I echo 100%. You having people to affirm who you are, because there's going to be days, Kim, no matter how much permission you have. And that's why I say in my book, permission is a journey. It's not this one time year certificate. There's going to be days, even when you know from the fullness of who God made you, people in one who made that you're going to need a key in your life to just say, Dr. Jackie, you're doing a good job. You need people to do this journey with you. And I'll talk about that. Yeah, you're having a vertical and God is going to speak over you, but you're going to have to have that horizontal transparency when you have a community of people that you can walk this life with, that can remind you what the Lord has already sung over you to keep you going.

It's just a part of life. We all have bad days.

Kim Gravel: Everybody has a bad day. I tell you, I could talk to you all day, all day long. I y'all, her podcast is called permission talk. Dr. Jackie, what are you talking about on that podcast? I just want everybody to go and download it and subscribe right now. Tell me what, what kind of.

Stuff that we're going to hear and learn and be encouraged by.

Dr. Jackie Greene: We speak so much to identity, faith, the ability to live your life on prayer. These are all tenets of a woman that lives with permission. How you live out the word of God and allow it to be a accompaniment to walking out strong in faith and in the authenticity, but we speak a lot to just a real raw things that women face all the time.

Feeling overloaded is one thing that people don't talk about a lot. How blessings can become a burden. Amen. Although they're good things, sometimes we can bring it down by route, manage it, prioritize it. So I want to speak to the everyday woman of how you become a greater steward, how you, how your wife will, how your sister will.

So we're speaking to lots of things that are coming to the everyday table of any woman.

Kim Gravel: Well, I'm telling you right now y'all need to go check out the podcast get the book But first before I let you go, you can't go anywhere right now cuz I do this on every show I do a thing called rapid fire rapid fire questions I'm gonna tell you right now.

You're gonna be the best rapid fire guest We have ever had because most people are like, well, I don't know and they don't rapid fire nothing. Okay They like a turtle on the race, but I can tell Dr. Jackie, you're not gonna let me down. First thing comes to your mind, pop it out. Okay, here we go. All right.

What is your favorite song of all time?

Dr. Jackie Greene: Refiner, by Maverick City. It's my all time. I'd go to it always.

Kim Gravel: Oh, I'm gonna have to go listen to that right after we get off. Okay. What movie could you watch over and over and over again?

Dr. Jackie Greene: Probably something love story. Maybe the notebook. I love love.

Kim Gravel: Oh, I love the notebook.

Oh, I do too. Oh, I love me some of the notebook that scene, you know, when they had the car and he's going, we're gonna fight, we're gonna fight, but we always get over it. Remember that? That's me and my husband every day. Yeah, that's him. I love it. Okay. What is the last dream you remember?

Dr. Jackie Greene: It was something about, I do this thing called Permission Herald, and I was basically navigating a space, I do a mentorship program where we're always encouraging women to own their permission, and so I was basically talking it through, but I was like, really, it was kind of like Permission room life, so to speak.

I think I was seeing the next version of what permission was going to become. It was expanding, not just on zone. They were all in a room and I was empowering them. That was the last thing I dreamed about.

Kim Gravel: Oh my gosh. My last dream was I was naked in high school trying to open up my locker. So you're clearly have a little bit.

So I need to, I need to work on my dream state. Okay, here we go. On a scale from one to 10, rate the following. Give it a one being the lowest, 10 being the highest. Here we go. Ice cream.

Dr. Jackie Greene: 7

Kim Gravel: Oh, God. Okay. Camp fires?

Dr. Jackie Greene: 2, I don't like outside.

Kim Gravel: I don't either. I knew we were sisters. Here we go. Rainy days.

Dr. Jackie Greene: Eh, uh, four. You get some good sleep.

Kim Gravel: That's, I know, I love me some good sleep. Shrimp on pizza.

Dr. Jackie Greene: Shrimp on pizza? It's a zero. I don't like shrimp.

Kim Gravel: It's a zero for me too. Okay, reality TV. Now keep it real.

Dr. Jackie Greene: Man, I'll pass, zero.

Kim Gravel: Zero? Oh Lord, sometimes I have that about a nine.

Dr. Jackie Greene: To me, it's all, it's fake. And I don't do fake. It's fake. It's all dramatized.

Yeah, give me the real. It's not real.

Kim Gravel: Okay. It's not, it's not, it's not even real ish. Okay. Leaving Christmas decorations up until Valentine's Day?

Dr. Jackie Greene: I'll here for it. Get to work. Y'all love it.

Kim Gravel: Okay. Um. All right. So here, here we go. How do you divide up your household chores? Like, does your husband do some? Do you do some? I want to hear this.

Dr. Jackie Greene: So, what had happened was, our life is so busy that we have to have a house manager. We just have too many things to do. And so, I mean, there have been seasons where I had to hold it all down.

Travis and I, we'll, we'll wash a dish or two. Probably, I would say a collective year, we might wash 30 dishes. Both of us. No, we have to have somebody come in and help. A lot.

Kim Gravel: Okay, girl. Offline. Text me. I need a house manager. Cause Travis ain't cutting it. Travis ain't getting it. We need a house manager. I love that.

Dr. Jackie Greene: Your husband's name is Travis and mine.

Kim Gravel: Oh, see. Well, I'll pray for you. That's another text me later. Okay, here we go. What's one thing that made you smile this week?

Dr. Jackie Greene: My team came together to, present this whole new play that we're getting ready to In 2024, and I am super uber excited about it. The fact that they would take the time to do that, it made me really happy.

Kim Gravel: Oh, I love it. Good teams are important. Hey, that's your people. That's your people. What book do you think everyone should read that's not your own book? Because I say you get hurt. You get Dr. Jackie's book, permission to live free. What book do you think everyone should read?

Dr. Jackie Greene: You are beloved by Bobby Shuler changed my life.

Kim Gravel: You are beloved. You are beloved by Bobby Shuler. Okay. I'm going to get it. All right. What do you miss about being in your twenties?

Dr. Jackie Greene: Uh, I could just be my, I could just be my husband's girlfriend.

Mom and wife. Totally different than just girlfriend.

Kim Gravel: Oh my God! Oh my God! That's the best answer ever. I swear, drop mic. That's the best answer I've ever heard.

Dr. Jackie Greene: I was a good girlfriend.

Kim Gravel: No, this is the thing though, Dr. Jackie, we could have a whole podcast on this. Isn't it better to be a girlfriend than a wife?

Dr. Jackie Greene: Man, we had a blast. Okay? We'd just get up and do whatever we want.

Kim Gravel: Girl, you got to go to your house. He got to go to his house and you got to sleep by yourself. You got to really just have, girl, we are going to be besties. All right. How do you de-stress?

Dr. Jackie Greene: Give me a journal. Time in silence. Nobody with me. Me, a journal, a book, and a bed.

We have a great time.

Kim Gravel: You know what? I love spending time with me, don't you?

Dr. Jackie Greene: Yes, it's the greatest ever.

Kim Gravel: It's the get with yourself, I agree with you. Okay, what's Who's your celebrity crush? Oh, I can't wait to hear this one.

Dr. Jackie Greene: Ooh. This is a hard one. I can't remember his name.

I can see what he look like. Chocolate guy.

Kim Gravel: What he playing? What he playing?

Dr. Jackie Greene: Oh. He was in taken. He's not the white guy that's a major character. He was like, he has an accent. Idris? Idris?

Kim Gravel: It's Idris.

Dr. Jackie Greene: Yeah, I don't remember his last name. But yeah, he's really, he looks really good.

Kim Gravel: Idris Elba. Idris Elba.

That's it. He is absolutely a hot. Yeah, he's hot. He's hot. All right. Good one. I, I approve of that. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. Okay. What's your favorite junk food?

Dr. Jackie Greene: I like any kind of candy. Really love chocolate, but any kind of candy.

Kim Gravel: Like, what's your favorite candy bar then?

Dr. Jackie Greene: Snicker.

Kim Gravel: Oh, I love a good Snicker. Do you like it frozen or cold or just regular off the shelf?

Dr. Jackie Greene: It got, it got a nut a little bit. It do not get me hard. They gotta be like a little mushy.

Kim Gravel: Little mushy, little mushy. Okay. I love it. What's something, I love this question. What is something totally frivolous that you do not mind spending money on?

Dr. Jackie Greene: I like a good bag.

Kim Gravel: Like good, good bag or just the okay bag?

Dr. Jackie Greene: No, I, I, I find bags.

Kim Gravel: Okay. Okay. Like bags that, bags that hold their value.

Okay. I don't know if that's frivolous. That's just fun, honey. That's just fun. Okay, last question.

Dr. Jackie Greene: I love a good bag.

Kim Gravel: I love it, too.

Listen, call me about your bags, too, because I love a good bag, too. All right, this is the last question. How do you remind yourself that you have the permission to be free?

Dr. Jackie Greene: Uh, my greatest reminder It's my time with God and the Lord. He speaks better to me than anybody else. Even when I've been back to myself, he reminds me that I'm a good daughter.

And I think that's the biggest thing for me.

Kim Gravel: Dr. Jackie, you are amazing. Y'all you've got to go check out Dr. Jackie Greene. Her book is permission to live free. Check out our podcast, permission, talk, give yourself the gift of permission and let Dr. Jackie Greene help you do it. Dr. Jackie, you got to come back.

You got to come back and be with me.

Dr. Jackie Greene: And thank you for having me.

Kim Gravel: Okay. We also, you got to check out all of her merchandise, the permission essentials, and we're going to link everything here in the bio. Go check out her stuff and remind yourself to give yourself permission to live in the fullness of what God has for you.

Dr. Jackie, come back and be with us. I love you, girl.

Dr. Jackie Greene: I love you so much, Kim. Alright, y'all be good.

Kim Gravel: Okay, Zac, Dr. Jackie Greene is our kind of people. I mean, amazing. Everything she was saying, did you resonate with it? Like, did you, you felt it, I did.

Zac Miller: I definitely felt it, and the interesting thing for me is like, you know, not coming from the same religious background. It took me longer, I think, to get it, and get this idea of permission.

Kim Gravel: But it's really, really, well, can I say something though? Can I say something? I think as a man, yeah, maybe that would be, I mean, I'm not trying to, I mean, seriously, I mean, it's something to really discuss and maybe we have her back on. It says, I think for men. You've always had the permission to, you know, for women, we've always, we have to, we have to consider a lot of things before we say yes to something that's really for ourselves.

Like it's easy for us to say yes to something for our children, something for our families or something where it's, a moment of helping or serving or, you know, but for us to say, yeah, I'm going to step out and do this for myself. Do I have time? Is it going to take away time from our kids when I can see where, you know, guys are kind of like, yeah, I can do this.

You know, I don't need somebody to tell me I can't for women. It's a little different. I mean, and her perspective is look, you're created. You're breathing. You're above ground. There's something for you to do other than just being a mom being a wife being, you know,

Zac Miller: I think you're right on with that. I think there's something there.

I it's like it's funny. The more and more I do the show with you, the more I sort of like I'm seeing. You know, a different perspective than, like, my sort of, like, dude's perspective. Sure. And, like, you know, I, I like to think of myself as someone that can, like, see things from lots of different angles and, like, think about, like, you know, outside of the way that I'm experiencing things.

But, yeah, this idea of Not having, you're sort of talking about, to me, I'm hearing like the mental load, right? That like is on and in. And like there's so much being written about the mental load these days. And it's like you have to sort of put that aside in order to get the permission to step into that next thing sometimes.

Is that right?

Kim Gravel: Yeah, I think you're definitely right on and I will tell you it's the permission that we give is to ourselves, you know, a lot of times I loved what Dr Jackie said when she said she was blaming or had an excuse, you know, she wasn't getting the support she needed from her husband, you know, and what Jackie saying is with, with God and with yourself, that's all the support you really need to take that.

Action. That's all the permission you need. So for any of you that are listening to this, and there's been a dream that has been inside you or a version of yourself that you have seen, you know, within your dreams, or if there's something that, you know, a risk that you want to take or a step you want to make, just consider this episode.

Your permission to do so, because as my daddy always says, if you ain't dead, you ain't done. And if you're watching or listening to this, you're not dead. So there's a lot for you to do and accomplish in your life. And consider this the permission to take the next step. Until next time, I'm Kim.

Zac Miller: I'm Zac.

Kim Gravel: And we love you so much. And uh, just remember, you are made for more. Bye.

Oh, Dr. Jackie, you are AMAZE BALLS!

Kim Gravel: The Kim Gravel Show is produced and edited by Zac Miller at Uncommon Audio. Our associate producer is Kathleen Grant, the Brunette Exec. Production help from Emily Bredin and Sara Noto.

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