Shortgevity! 3 Fast Health Habits to Instantly Change Your Life with Jillian Michaels

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Introduction:

This is The Kim Gravel Show!

Kim:

Weight and obesity is the shame game. I feel like I need a fitness intervention. I need help.

Jillian Michaels:

Our system, unfortunately, is not broken. It's rigged.

Kim:

I was eating 4000 calories a day.

Jillian Michaels:

They make us more hungry, and they're designed to do so. They're engineered to do so by food scientists. Stop fighting. You do nothing.

Kim:

Idiots.

Jillian Michaels:

God.

Kim:

I don't want longevity talk here. Give me what I can do right now.

Jillian Michaels:

I can make it really simple.

Kim:

Hey, y'all. Kim Gravel here. It's The Kim Gravel Show. And this week I'm so excited because I've been waiting for several, I'd say a couple months to get this guest on. I've been a big fan of this woman for a long, long time. Decades, actually. I've got Jillian Michaels on the show today. She's America's ultimate motivator.

Kim:

I mean, the list goes on and on. A world renowned health and wellness expertise nominated tv host who has written eight New York Times bestseller selling books. She's helped millions and millions of people get in shape and get healthier. I can't wait to talk to her just for personal, just selfishness because I feel like I need a fitness intervention. I need help. And I just hate working out. And y'all know me. I love to eat.

Kim:

I mean, I just. I mean, come on. I just ate chips ahoy for him. Talking to Jillian. Hey, Jillian. Y'all welcome Jillian Michaels. Jillian Michaels.

Jillian Michaels:

Oh, no.

Kim:

How did you like my chips ahoy? I just wanted to start off in a real place with you, Jillian. I don't want to fake it.

Zac:

You got to fake it with the chips ahoy. That's it. That's, like, mic drop.

Jillian Michaels:

I was about to attack you, and then I heard, like, this singsong of angels calling my name and I.

Kim:

Have to know my heart is in the right place. Can I just tell you? I'm a little bit afraid of you and a little bit, like, just want to be your best friend. I mean, it's both of those things combined. Do you get that everywhere you go?

Jillian Michaels:

Only when they first meet me. After they get to know. After they get to know me. They love you, my friend. And they're not afraid of me. I lose it all. All of it.

Kim:

It's all just like, it's the first impression. Now, this is what I love about you because, I mean, I used to binge watch you on biggest loser back in the day. Your mission really is to help people. It really is. I mean, I would not even, I don't know I'm telling you about you, jillian, just sit back and listen, okay? I think health and fitness is, like, the core. I think it's the vehicle that drives your message. I think your mission is really to see people become the best versions of themselves. Am I right, or have I got you all wrong?

Jillian Michaels:

No, you haven't. 100% correct, actually. Fitness is transcendent. When we're feeling strong physically, we're feeling strong in other facets of our lives. And my journey in this space with my own fitness and then subsequently trying to help empower others, utilizing fitness, nutrition, and overall health and well being, is selfishly motivated. It's because as a child, I was overweight, I struggled with my health and addiction to crappy food. Long story short, what. What you just showed me and my martial arts instructor helped me get back on the right track, and it's selfish.

Jillian Michaels:

I love what I do. I love it personally. And being able to share that passion and make money doing it, it's not because I'm some great human. I'm just really lucky to be able to make money in a field that I love. You know, like, I don't want anyone to get this twisted. I'm not some sort of an angel or an altruist. I'm actually really selfish. I am genuinely passionate, and it does bring a lot of meaning in my life, personally, to share this information, because then you get to play some small role in somebody else's journey towards wellness, and that's an honor.

Jillian Michaels:

So I do really, really enjoy that. But still, selfish nonetheless.

Kim:

Well, I mean, I think we all should be in this case, don't you think? Like, I mean, if. I mean, if mom ain't happy, nobody's happy. I mean, if we're not healthy enough to give to our family. You're a mother of two. Correct. You know, I have two teenage boys. It is the hardest thing. I probably need to get fitness just to keep up with them, but, I mean, but it's really.

Kim:

It's almost like taking care of our health, and I've gone on this big health journey. Okay, I'm gonna make it about me for two minutes. Cause I've got the Jelena cycles on the show, and I'm gonna milk it. So I. Last year, I lost almost 60 pounds. Okay. I know, I know. As I eat the chips ahoy.

Kim:

It was great. It changed my life. I got up one day, I looked in the mirror, I'm like, bump this. This is for the birds. I've got to make a change. And I said my whole weight loss. My whole getting healthy journey started with that one decision and I was eating 4000 calories a day. Jillian, don't.

Kim:

Okay. It's okay.

Jillian Michaels:

You know what? There was a great thing that illustrated people who think they're eating healthy don't understand the simple math that calories are energy and fat is stored energy and they underestimate their calorie intake by about 1000 calories a day, which is a lot. It's a month. It's twelve pounds a year. It's 25 pounds in two years. So it really adds up.

Kim:

And I had no idea. It was, it was just, it was absolutely just not paying attention, not putting myself first.

Jillian Michaels:

I apologize. A thousand. A thousand calories a day screw up is two pounds a week, is eight pounds a month. And as you can imagine, it could be up to 80 pounds in a year. A hundred extra calories a day that you miss is the twelve pounds a year. Yeah. That's why.

Kim:

Dang.

Jillian Michaels:

I know. And then people turn around and they're like, I can't lose weight. It's because they're being lied to about the simple science. So they're like, well, I tried carnivore and that didn't work. And then I did intermittent fasting and that didn't work. And I was vegan and that didn't work. And it's like, it's, listen, health, okay, is food quality, but calories out is size. And yes, the two do have a Venn diagram where they intersected.

Jillian Michaels:

But you must understand, if you're trying to lose weight, you must reduce the amount of calories you're taking in, period.

Kim:

That's everything that I did. Now I will tell you. And I had, I didn't work a program. I didn't get a shot. I didn't, you know, I didn't go, I didn't get a trainer. I didn't even work out. And we're going to get to that in a second because I'm selfishly going to like, you're going to be my little mini motivator today. I mean, and I'm going to use me as a guinea pig.

Kim:

But this is the thing. Like I, it truly was that simple. I made the decision. I reduced the calorie intake only. Like, I still went through the drive thrus. I just cut what I ate in half. And then that third, about, about two months in, I lost about 18 pounds in that third month. I'm like, I'm cutting out the junk.

Kim:

I'm cutting out. I'm going to cut back I said, I'm going to cut back. Cause I made little micro movements that got me to the. It got me to the. Okay, it works.

Jillian Michaels:

It works beautifully.

Kim:

Well, I put. I've micro and macroed it out a little bit. I've got to. I've put back on ten pounds. But I won't let myself get past the tip. I will do something I'm always mindful of. Hey, you're, you're, you're going to extreme here. So let's.

Kim:

Let's back off. Tell me. Tell me about food. I've been watching you, stalking you, some of your interviews recently. I want to go deep, because I want to say this.

Jillian Michaels:

Do you want to go on your audience?

Kim:

Let's go.

Jillian Michaels:

She can handle it. All right, well, first, give us the truth.

Kim:

You're a straight shooter.

Jillian Michaels:

Okay. All right. I want to preface by saying that at the end of the day, if you're not eating perfectly, if you're not even eating better quality food, if you're going through the drive through, but eating less, it's going to have a massive impact on your health, and you're a perfect example. So I often recommend a walking pad, seven to 10,000 steps a day. And then let's watch those calories. And if you don't want to count them, remove beverages that have calories. No sodas, no juices, no 500 calorie coffees. Perfect, right? I have a little sparkling water right here that has no calories in it.

Jillian Michaels:

So I can make it really simple. If you want the honest truth about what's in your food, it's going to feel a bit overwhelming. And the reality is that, in large part, we are consuming over 70% of our calories from what's called ultra processed foods. And. Yeah, go ahead.

Kim:

No, I just. And my kids, too. I mean, I need to hear. You need to shoot me straight. You need to shoot a straight. It's time.

Jillian Michaels:

There are about 10,000 chemicals in these ultra processed foods, 9500 of which, give or take 100 or so, are illegal in pretty much every other country of the developing world, whether it's Singapore, Canada or France, they're illegal. So our system, unfortunately, is not broken. As my friend Brigham Bueller says, quite often, it's rigged. There's just sheer raw economic incentive across the board that has facilitated this.

Kim:

Allowing.

Jillian Michaels:

Major corporations to put profit over people. Now, myself and people in my industry, we are, you know, we're sounding the alarm, of course, and we're working on facilitating systemic change, which I can't promise. And in fact, I have often advocated very aggressively for people taking agency because I don't know if those lifeboats are ever going to show up. Change on a macro level is very, very difficult. That means changing the way the folks.

Kim:

It takes a long time. A long time.

Jillian Michaels:

It's a huge problem. And it is beyond David and Goliath. I mean, you're talking about systems. Boom.

Kim:

Yeah, systems, yes.

Jillian Michaels:

I want you to know, I want you angry about it. I want you going to nchronicdiseasease.com and messaging your representatives, telling them, this is unacceptable. I want you to sign petitions on food babes, Instagram, Bonnie Hari telling Kellogg, hey, take the low hanging fruit and give us the food you give the Canadians here. How about that? Let's start there. Things. Solutions. You. You've already arrived at.

Jillian Michaels:

Provide those to the american people. Since those formulations are outlawed in Canada and so on. I want people to take these simple steps of activism. However, the most important thing we can do is what you're doing. And this is where I try to determine how much I want to expose you. So it's like I want you outraged. I want you awake. But I don't want you to feel overwhelmed and like, it's so broken.

Jillian Michaels:

What's the point?

Kim:

Or defeated. Defeated. Yeah.

Jillian Michaels:

Bingo. Exactly. Okay, Julian, I got the changes you've made or everything. You're exactly what I'm trying to get people to do.

Kim:

But I'm ready for the next level. I'm ready for the next level. Can you do me a favor? Can I back up for a minute? Because you are so. I love. I just want to, like, encourage you and edify you for a minute and how you're doing to. You talk in ways that are connecting and understandable. So I appreciate that. But can you define for me what ultra processed food is like? We hear that, we know.

Kim:

Oh, bad word, bad word. What is it?

Jillian Michaels:

Chips ahoy.

Kim:

Okay, all right. Let me just drink my water and sit back.

Zac:

And now Kim is feeling attacked. I love it.

Kim:

Drop my. Drop my. Jillian and Michaels has showed up today.

Jillian Michaels:

Okay, so.

Kim:

No, I hear you. I hear you.

Jillian Michaels:

You freeze vegetables that's processed. Hence the reason we discuss the concept of ultra processed food. Because there's a big difference between something that's freeze dried or packaged and frozen and so on and so forth. Ultra processed, it's going to be white flour, white sugar.

Kim:

What?

Jillian Michaels:

Think of it. Stuff that doesn't have a mother. Stuff that didn't come from the ground. A cheeto, an oreo, cheap spaghetti. That's like nothing but bleached, white, stripped enriched GMO crops. Ketchup with 50 different chemicals in it that are, by the way, also illegal in Europe. That their ingredients for ketchup, and our ingredients for ketchup, we've got about 20 extra ingredients in it. So all of this crap in the plastic boxes and bags, that does not look like it ever had a mother or could have possibly grown out of the ground, that's an ultra processed food.

Jillian Michaels:

A white hot dog bun. Ultra processed. A whole grain piece of bread with nuts and seeds, like ezekiel bread, Dave's killer bread. Nothing perfect, but a far, far better option. And ultra processed foods have all of these chemicals in them that I've just referenced. Petrochemicals, formaldehyde, pesticides, fertilizers that are chemical herbicides, fungicides, artificial colors, artificial flavors, fake sugars, fake fats, preservatives, anti caking agents, emulsifiers, plastics, heavy metals, all of this crap is in the food. And so, yes, I'm constantly advocating about being a healthy size, and that's very important. And obesity is associated with.

Jillian Michaels:

Associated with 170 comorbidities, the top contributor to cancer and heart disease and metabolic dysfunction, like type two diabetes, so on and so forth. But let me just say, obesity is a symptom. So not only are they getting all these chemicals, they're getting too many calories at the same time.

Kim:

No, no, no, that's great. You have to stop there. You have to stop there. You have to explain that. Because you just let a lot of people who struggle with their weight off the hook there. You're not. Because it's a shame game. Weight and obesity is the shame game.

Jillian Michaels:

I know, but it's the shame. Okay, so you want to go?

Kim:

You just said. You just. You just said a mouth. I'm processing, babe. You got to get. I'm not as fast as you.

Jillian Michaels:

So, first of all, let me explain that. Obesity, the default condition for human beings in the 21st century, is obese by design. Between big farming, big food, big pharma, and big insurance, we call it structural violence.

Kim:

That's why we're big.

Jillian Michaels:

Okay? Back in the seventies, when I was a kid, 10% of the adult population was overweight or obese. In the fifties, it was 5%. So it was kind of gradually creeping up, right when the big tobacco companies took over, the big food companies, and we had some key changes in the way that big food and big pharma, we're allowed to lobby our politicians, so on and so forth. The long, the short of it is you saw a supersonic rise in obesity and chronic disease. By the time I was 21, the obesity rates tripled. Now it's 74% of our adult population is overweight or obese. 50% of our kids are overweight or obese. Childhood obesity did not exist in the fifties.

Jillian Michaels:

It didn't even exist. That's why type two diabetes used to be called adult onset diabetes. Now it's called type two because kids are getting it. Kids are getting fatty liver disease. One in 36 kids is diagnosed with autism. It used to be one in 100,000 back in the fifties, sixties and seventies. I mean, infertility is going up at 1% a year. It's the highest in human history.

Jillian Michaels:

The chronic disease is exploding across the board. Men's testosterone levels. A 30 year old man today as the testosterone level that a 50 year old man had 30 years ago. Everything is going up all at the same time. So, yes, obesity exacerbates the problem, but obesity is simply one of these conditions. So it is an accelerant to things like cancer and metabolic disease. Absolutely. And inflammation, or the entire body, because it releases inflammatory proteins, so on and so forth.

Jillian Michaels:

But the reality is that this food is designed to undermine your satiety, because normal whole food communicates with our body. It provides information. Protein, healthy fats, fiber releases satiety hormones. We eat, we're done. These foods don't do that. Not only do they not release satiety hormones, because look at a cheeto, there's no protein, there's no fiber, there's no healthy fat. They, in fact, spike our blood sugar, crush our blood sugar, and not only don't release satiety hormones, they make us more hungry. And they're designed to do so.

Jillian Michaels:

They're engineered to do so by food scientists. That's what I mean. It's by design.

Kim:

Design.

Jillian Michaels:

So they're triggering the bliss point in your brain. They are the ultimate. I've had a bad day. I need a McFlurry or whatever the heck it is. Right? It's. I need that dopamine hit. I can control it. It's everywhere.

Jillian Michaels:

There's ubiquitous cues to eat everywhere. The office, kitchen, right? With the donuts. The vending machine at your kid's school. The drive through on the corner of your street. It's everywhere.

Kim:

So we didn't have vending machines when we were growing up. You didn't have soda machines and snacks. You didn't have any of that. The most exciting thing we got at school, school was, remember the rectangle, like pizza day? That was the most exciting day at the lunchroom. Like, oh, my gosh, pizza day. You know, how do we stop that? It's everywhere. How do we stop? How can. Okay, I want you to give me bite size, no pun intended.

Kim:

Three things that we can do to really shift. I don't want longevity talk here. I mean that. Give me shortgevity. Give me what I can do right now. And everybody listening just to get. Get a hold of our health a little bit.

Jillian Michaels:

Okay, here's the low hanging fruit that anybody can do no matter what. Number one is a step goal. Of course, as a health expert and as a fitness expert, I'm going to say, oh, we need resistance training for your muscles and your bones. We need to hit training, you know, oh, it's the best thing ever for managing insulin resistance and improving cardiovascular function. But honestly, if you just have a step goal, I would love 10,000 steps a day. If you do 7000 steps a day, the impact on your health is actually seriously massive.

Kim:

Okay, Jillian, just massive what? Okay, give me, give me what? Step goal 10,000 ideals. 7000. We'll take it. What does it do?

Jillian Michaels:

But what does it do? First of all, it burns one and a half times more calories than sitting. Second of all, it improves your cardiovascular function. Third of all, it improves your insulin sensitivity, which is related to metabolic disease. If you just go for a walk after eating, you are dramatically improving your body's ability to stay sensitive to insulin. Insulin resistance, type two diabetes, metabolic disease. And that has a host of chronic diseases that are associated with.

Kim:

And that runs in my family. That runs in my family.

Jillian Michaels:

But I want you to think of your genetics. Doctor Agustin says this. He's the cardiologist who created the calcium score. And he says, genetics load the gun. But lifestyle pulls the trigger. So remember that how we live, we can upregulate the expression of our genetics or downregulate the expression of our genetics. Getting your sleep, moving your body, eating a little bit better, makes your genetics inherently express themselves to their fullest potential, if you will.

Kim:

Got it? Yeah.

Jillian Michaels:

Whereas the chips ahoy, the sedentary, the not sleeping, the massive stress, then it's like, what am I prone to? Heart disease? Yeah. Let's really build up this LDL cholesterol that we're not removing in the arteries. All of these things can be impacted, so keep that in mind. So get yourself a freaking walking pad. I don't want to hear it. I have one downstairs. I put my computer on it, and I literally just shuffle along, and I answer my emails. Then I write my blogs and blogs and I write my newsletters and I plan my podcasts.

Jillian Michaels:

What is.

Kim:

What is a walking pad? Is that a treadmill?

Jillian Michaels:

Absolutely. A backing pad is a. Is honestly a mini treadmill. So it's just a flat pad like the bottom part of your truck.

Kim:

Okay. Okay.

Jillian Michaels:

And you can get a stand up desk. So you can just take this little pad and put it under your stand up desk or put it at the kitchen counter, which is something that I used to do, and until we moved, add this cheap little walking pad, and I put it at my kitchen counter because my kitchen counter was elevated. Then I ended up buying one, and it has these two arms that come up so that the desk elevates or. I'm sorry. You can. You can forgive me. Lift or lower the desk.

Kim:

Right?

Jillian Michaels:

Computer your tablet on top of it. Watch your television show, answer your emails, and shuffle along. I don't do marathon. And by the end of your day, you will have done your 70 00, 10,000 steps, because it's snowing here, Jill, or I. It's. I'm working. I have emails. There's no excuse.

Jillian Michaels:

It goes in your house. It's small. You can fold it up, put it away. Easy, compact, affordable, cheap. Buy it once, have it forever. That is the easiest thing you can do, and it costs nothing. I have a producer on my podcast, sweetest guy. I'm gonna put him on blast.

Jillian Michaels:

His name's Chuck La Bella.

Kim:

Hey, Chuck.

Jillian Michaels:

Sorry, Chuck. But Chuck will like this, because everybody thinks Chuck's on Ozempic and he's not. So he'll. It's really upset him, actually. So Chuck was 240 when we started. No, no, I'm sorry. He was 230 when we started, and this was about four months ago. Chuck is now 190.

Jillian Michaels:

He's lost 40 pounds. And all he's doing is walking 10,000 steps a day, and he's eating 1600 calories with unlimited greens. That's it. That's all I have him doing. And it's working. So then the next step is moving on. Let's look at the food.

Kim:

So this is number two. Number one is get your step go in.

Jillian Michaels:

Number two, you gotta count calories, because.

Kim:

I'm living proof, people. I am living proof, Kim.

Jillian Michaels:

It's physics. It's the first law of thermodynamics. I work with a lot of doctors, and I don't want to poo poo on them.

Kim:

Don't. I hear you.

Jillian Michaels:

The issue is that they're like, well, you know, you can't just say, eat less, move more. Actually, you can. But the reason it's a problem. You can, you should. And it does work. And your proof, and Chuck is proof. But the issue is that when you're eating crappy food, you got a Doritos commercial. You can't eat just one because of the things we've talked about.

Jillian Michaels:

It undermines your satiety. It actually crashes your blood sugar to make you, in fact, more hungry. You can suck down a big gulp for 300 calories. It'll crush your blood sugar, and you're starving again, and you're tired. So it perpetuates the eating cycle. These crappy foods make you eat more, and over time, they will disrupt your metabolism and slow down the amount your body burns in a day. But it takes years. And it has to do with endocrine disruption and messing up your hormone balance, which is.

Jillian Michaels:

I mean, it's big. I wrote a whole book on it 15 years ago called Master your metabolism. But the reality is that it's still right if you do what you do. And there's a great study called the Twinkie diet, and I encourage everyone to google it. It was by a professor of nutrition named Mark Taub. And he ate nothing but garbage food, desert diet, but he ate less of it. He did it for ten weeks, and I believe he lost around 27 pounds of. Point being, you can eat twinkies and lose weight.

Jillian Michaels:

It's not good for you. But it's a lot better than two twinkies, right? A half a Twinkie versus two twinkies. And that's the point. So if we can reduce the amount you're eating, you're going to have tremendous results. And if you don't have the bandwidth to sit there and be like, okay, this bread has 80 calories or whatever a slice. And, okay, I, you know, whatever. I don't. Simple things like cut your portions in half automatically cut out drinking any beverages.

Kim:

Like this sort of doesn't work. That killed. I mean, I was drinking two or three cokes a day.

Jillian Michaels:

That's 500 calories, almost 150 calories of pure sugar.

Kim:

Thousand calories a day. People. People don't believe it. I have an appetite.

Jillian Michaels:

It's easy to do. Actually, I believe it because it's so easy. This is my point. They don't believe it. But the same reason I told you about the study where they underestimate their intake by a thousand calories a day. They don't understand what's in the things they're eating. So of course I want you to look at it, read the labels, and have a handful of breakfast that you make at home. An egg, 80 calories.

Jillian Michaels:

Got it. This slice of bread is 80 calories. Okay.

Kim:

Right. No, your go to. Yes, you'll help me forever.

Jillian Michaels:

And then I like to say unlimited greens. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Kim:

No, I was just gonna say it worked for me because I knew, like, when I went to chick fil a, I would just get the twelve grilled nuggets. I knew it. Exactly how many calories it is. And it's so funny. I started doing that, Jillian, and, like, my kids now do it, too. Like, they know when we go and eat, we know what is what and we know what we can order. And like, I'm like, that's exactly right. Okay.

Kim:

All right.

Jillian Michaels:

Oh, my God, I feel so validated. That's step two. So, ultimately, and here's the simple science, and I want to explain it, but the long and the short of it is that a calorie is a unit of energy. Okay? So it's kind of like saying a pound of feathers and a pound of cement. Do they weigh the same? Yes. A pound is a pound, you know, one soft on your hands, one will cause calluses. Point being, a calorie is a calorie. Is a calorie of avocado going to be the same as a calorie of cheeto? No.

Jillian Michaels:

One will ultimately lead to disease. And one is your. Your best form of medicine. So one's your slowest cause of disease and the other one is your best cars of medicine. Nevertheless, from a size perspective, a calorie is a calorie. Calories that do not get utilized. Right. So this energy that you don't use because they're a unit of energy, this takes energy.

Jillian Michaels:

Talking to you takes energy. Energy that I'm not utilizing gets stored in my fat cells. It's broken down and stored. You don't need a big biochemistry lesson. Just think of it as being that simple. Now, what the fat does in the body, different conversation we could talk about. Oh, it's releasing inflammatory proteins. It's messing up your endocrine system, getting in your arteries, it's getting in your liver, it's getting in your brain.

Jillian Michaels:

Great. Okay, so obesity is related to disease for all of those reasons. But in addition, the chemicals in the food will make a skinny person sick eventually. Skinny people need cancer. Skinny people have heart disease. It's not just about white bingo. And let me give you a few examples. Kate Middleton.

Jillian Michaels:

I don't think she's going to chick fil a. I love you, Kim. I don't see it. She's also not overweight. Right? Olivia Munn, breast cancer, not overweight. Maria menounos had pancreatic. Pancreas. Pancreatic cancer, not overweight.

Jillian Michaels:

So my point is that there's other crap in this food.

Kim:

Yeah.

Jillian Michaels:

Even the stuff that you don't realize that will still make you sick. So being smaller is step one. And then the third piece is going to be common sense with your food choices. So your continuum of grilled chicken nuggets instead of fried chicken nuggets.

Kim:

Hello.

Jillian Michaels:

Things like that. Simple, simple, simple.

Kim:

So simple. Step. Get your step goal in, cut your calories, make better choices in foods, then.

Jillian Michaels:

Go common sense on the food choices. So, for example. Oh, fruit loops. Good grief.

Kim:

Oh, God. Lord Jesus helped me so much.

Jillian Michaels:

Oh, gosh.

Kim:

What about frosted flakes? It's a no, right? It's a no. No. If it's got banana in it, could.

Jillian Michaels:

We do a little granola?

Kim:

I love granola. I love granola. I do.

Jillian Michaels:

You know, maybe an organic granola, but if not. Okay. All right. That's okay. But we're removing the artificial food coloring. We're removing.

Kim:

Got it.

Jillian Michaels:

The bleached flower. We're mitigating it. So I don't need perfection. I simply need you to look at this spectrum of.

Kim:

That's it.

Jillian Michaels:

This food will kill me, and this food will cure me. And let me try to go on the second half of that food stuff.

Kim:

Yes. Okay.

Jillian Michaels:

Common sense.

Kim:

I'm a big proponent of. You are the captain of your own fate, you know. Oh, captain. Oh, captain. You know that we are. We really. We can really make change. I have made change personally in my life over the years, and I do believe we have the power.

Kim:

I will say it's like your fitness app. Your fitness app is fantastic. Everybody go download Jillian's fitness app. I mean, you have a wearable itouch wearables where you can, like, train and help yourself hit your step goal, and then your podcast. Your podcast. Yeah. I mean, I have just been, like. I have went to church today, people.

Kim:

I'm gonna start walking by 10,000 steps. But your podcast, keeping it real. Will we get more of this information if we tune into your podcast?

Jillian Michaels:

Yes. You're going to get access to some of the best mds, PhDs, and health advocates from around the world. So you get that deeper dive, and you have access that were quite simply denied for a host of reasons. But nevertheless, now we have access, so we know what tests to ask for. We know. I'll give you an example. When you listen to doctor Arthur Agustin talk about heart health. As I mentioned, he created the calisthenics course, one of the top cardiologists in the world.

Jillian Michaels:

You're probably not because of the way the system is designed, getting the attention, the care, the comprehensive blood panels, the preventative screenings that you need so you can listen to him, and he'll say, cholesterol is an indicator, but ultimately, it's irrelevant because you could have high cholesterol and no plaque, or low cholesterol and lots of plaque. How do we tell a calcium score? What does that mean? Now you've listened. Now you know what to ask for. Yeah.

Kim:

Yes. You're your captain. You're your own captain.

Jillian Michaels:

But you gotta empower yourself. You gotta know how to have those conversations with your healthcare professional. That's the key.

Kim:

I loathe working out. I hate it. I hate it. Like, I don't like it afterwards. I don't like it before. But to get the steps in, I get cutting the calories. I get making better food choices. I'm in the south, we eat everything fried, covered, and smothered.

Kim:

Okay? So, I mean, but I can just do it fried and covered and leave off the smothered. I mean, I'm learning common sense. Okay, grilled. Let.

Jillian Michaels:

Grilled.

Kim:

Grilled. Grilled. Smothered and covered.

Jillian Michaels:

I.

Kim:

Now, before you go. Cause I know you're on a tight time schedule. You're a busy woman. We do this thing called rapid fire questions. So the first thing. Okay. You're not gonna have Zippo problem with this. Cause you're fast, you're quick, quick.

Jillian Michaels:

I'm ready.

Kim:

So the first thing that comes up, comes out. Okay, here we go. Rapid fire questions. There's no wrong answer. And be risque, be raw, be real.

Jillian Michaels:

Oh, I have a swearing problem, and I've really been working.

Kim:

Swear we'll bleep you out. I don't have many bleeps on here, so, please, I'd love a good bleep. Okay, here we go. I'm working on the chips ahoy. And you're working on the. I know, I love it. Love it. See how real she is, Zac? You see how real she is?

Zac:

I'm ready to be. I'm ready to beep at any time. I'm just gonna go.

Jillian Michaels:

Try so hard, okay, go.

Kim:

I love you. I so adore you. Okay, Robin.

Jillian Michaels:

Fire. I can't see censor in that. And that.

Kim:

Censor. Don't. I don't want it.

Jillian Michaels:

I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try. Okay.

Kim:

We need more of you in the world. Okay, here we go. Who is the greatest human who ever lived?

Jillian Michaels:

Oh, gosh. Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Einstein. Oh, so cool. Who in the heck.

Kim:

Very cool.

Jillian Michaels:

I mean, look, I.

Kim:

That's three, honey. That's three. I know, I know.

Jillian Michaels:

And I didn't.

Kim:

So sorry.

Jillian Michaels:

But those are the ones.

Kim:

Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa.

Jillian Michaels:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kim:

She was. She was just. I mean, come on. Pure is the driven scout.

Jillian Michaels:

Harriet Tubman.

Kim:

Harriet Tubman. Fantastic.

Jillian Michaels:

That's a good one. I like those. Oh. Anyway.

Kim:

Okay, here we go. If there was holiday named after you, what would it be called?

Jillian Michaels:

Smushness. So, my son, I don't know how we got here.

Kim:

Precious, how old is your son?

Jillian Michaels:

He's twelve now.

Kim:

I love it.

Jillian Michaels:

Hey. I had a nickname for my wife, and he got it wrong and started calling her smush. And then everybody in the household started being like, smush. It was the new honey honey that became smush. So everybody smushed. So smush miss.

Kim:

Smush miss. Oh, my gosh. I love that so much. Oh, I bet I have two boys, so. Are you not sitting on clean toilet seats, either?

Jillian Michaels:

He has to use the bathroom in his room.

Kim:

Just paint your walls yellow and forget it. I just. You know, mine are teenagers. I've got almost an 18 year old and a 15 year old. So everything is just. What do we have? What is for dinner? And then just pee all over the place. So there you go. Best of luck to you.

Kim:

Call me when that happens. All right, here we go. What's one skill you wish you had?

Jillian Michaels:

Oh, I wish I could sing. Oh, my gosh.

Kim:

You got a good voice, though. You got that good sexy.

Jillian Michaels:

Oh, my God. I got a story for you. Years ago, after Pink had her daughter, Willow, beautiful phone call to help her get back on track after the baby. So I worked with her for a little while, and then ended up organizing her regimen with a friend of mine, Jeanette Jenkins. Long story short, we were talking about this, and she's like, jill, everybody can sing. And I was like, no, Alicia, I don't think so. She's like. She's like, I'm telling you, I would know.

Kim:

I go, okay.

Jillian Michaels:

So she's like, sing something for me. And she's like, well, maybe not everyone after. Like, I actually can't do it. But music is a huge unifying force.

Kim:

It's a healer, too. It is.

Jillian Michaels:

It brings people together, and I just. I wish I had that skill set. That and I wish I could stand the sight of blood, because I really do worship at the feet of incredible doctors who seek out the root cause. I mean, these are people that are.

Kim:

Saving lives, this passion. Yeah. Yeah.

Jillian Michaels:

You know, I. Not all of them, but the ones that are dedicated and brilliant. I just. I am in awe. I wish that I could tolerate the sight of blood to start, because I couldn't even begin, like.

Kim:

Yeah, but you can communicate in a way that they probably need you. You know what I'm saying? Like, everybody works together to really get. I appreciate the good out. It's true. It's true. So help me. I mean. Zac.

Kim:

Zac. Do I. Do you agree with me? I told you, she's a. Yeah.

Jillian Michaels:

Yeah.

Kim:

Okay. If you could instantly teach your teenage kids one thing, what would it be? Okay. I can't wait to hear that. I'm always right. I am always right.

Jillian Michaels:

I am always right.

Kim:

I'm always right.

Jillian Michaels:

I'm always right. Stop fighting. You knew nothing. You knew zero. You fetus in the world, John, roll your eyes.

Kim:

Fools. My God.

Jillian Michaels:

I.

Kim:

Look, we are sisters. I think we are. We were separated at birth. They get on my. I know, I know. Oh, my God.

Jillian Michaels:

And when they think, oh, my God. One thing to not listen, but the nerves, I know. When they go to. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. The experience that you have on this subject matter is nothing. Oh, hold on. Zero.

Jillian Michaels:

Oh, my God.

Kim:

Kim, girl. Jess, I was on the toilet the other day. This is overshare.

Jillian Michaels:

I was sweating. Please go.

Kim:

It was homecoming. It was home freaking coming. My son's taking this new girl to the homecoming, and he's like. And I said, look, dude, don't be too eager, okay? Don't be an eager. Just take it slow. People like what they can't have. I'm just telling you.

Jillian Michaels:

Yep.

Kim:

His exact words to me, I wanna know if you've heard this. Mom, you don't know anything about. That was a long time ago when you. I said, well, I have, you know, every dude chased me like a dog in heat. So I know a little bit something about something, okay? Look at your dad. He's still chasing me. They don't know anything, girl. Nothing.

Jillian Michaels:

When they idiot their eyes. Oh, my.

Kim:

And the phones. In the phones, I started TikTok. And the phones.

Jillian Michaels:

The freaking phones is where brain cells go to die.

Kim:

Oh, my God. But I love it so much. I do love TikTok. I absolutely. You're all over it, honey. I've watched your videos about a million times, so. You bet. Yeah, you probably could be making some money.

Kim:

Get in there and get an account.

Jillian Michaels:

I'm on X a lot.

Kim:

I like X. I like X. I like xdev.

Jillian Michaels:

I like X. I like cat memes on Instagram.

Kim:

Okay, now we're really best friends. All right, here's one for you. Here's one for you. This is a good one. Who is your favorite celebrity crush?

Jillian Michaels:

Uh oh. Oh, God.

Kim:

Yeah, there's gonna be many.

Jillian Michaels:

I know. I know. Keanu Reeves.

Kim:

Oh, God, I love him. Oh, my gosh.

Jillian Michaels:

I am gay, but for some reason. Keanu Reeves.

Kim:

Oh, no, no, no. I get it. I get it. And let me say, I love his girlfriend, too. His new girlfriend with. She's got this gray hair. She's so. I mean, she's gorgeous.

Kim:

She's just perfect. There are Keanu Reeves. Okay. And I heard a story from a friend of a friend who was in.

Jillian Michaels:

The industry, but he's, like, the nicest guy, right?

Kim:

Nicest guy. And shows up on time. And shows up on time. Okay.

Jillian Michaels:

Rides the subway. Just a real dude. Yes.

Kim:

Yes. I agree with you. I don't know why in the Matrix did you love the Matrix?

Jillian Michaels:

Oh, my God.

Kim:

John and Bill and Ted. Excellent venture. Okay. All right. I swear. How old are you? How old are you, Jillian? 50.

Jillian Michaels:

I just turned 50.

Kim:

I'm 53.

Jillian Michaels:

Yeah.

Zac:

Not 54.

Kim:

You know what, Zac? Never mind. Here we go. Now, I'm going to leave this with you, and you have to answer it, Jillian. And I don't. Don't give me any. Don't. I don't want to hear the goody two shoes answer.

Jillian Michaels:

Okay?

Kim:

Shoot me straight. I'm not saying you endorse this, but I want you to shoot me straight. What is your favorite junk food?

Jillian Michaels:

Alcohol.

Zac:

Alcohol.

Jillian Michaels:

Alcohol. Alcohol.

Zac:

That's the show, everybody. See you later.

Kim:

That's it?

Zac:

We're just gonna.

Kim:

No, no, no. I gotta hear. She didn't even. She didn't skip a beat set. She was like, aha.

Zac:

That's my favorite answer to that question.

Jillian Michaels:

Ever, because I don't actually eat, like, treats anymore. I don't do cake and cookies and all that stuff because.

Kim:

Oh, my God.

Jillian Michaels:

No, girl, you practice what you preach.

Kim:

You practice what you preach, girl.

Jillian Michaels:

It's not that I don't think you could work it in moderately. It's that because food was my addiction. Got it. I stay away from it. It's magical.

Kim:

You drink like a fish.

Jillian Michaels:

I don't. I don't, actually.

Kim:

Okay.

Jillian Michaels:

And I don't eat, like, I can have blue corn tortilla chips, and that stuff's not bad. Like, I can dig into stuff like that and make it healthy. So that also isn't bad. Like, I don't need cheetos. I can have organic blue corn tortilla chips with some fresh salsa.

Kim:

It still feels good. No, it's so good. But, okay.

Jillian Michaels:

Alcohol is not good for you. It's just not. And so having a glass of wine or a tequila on the rocks. Peter Attia. Doctor Peter Attia said this to me once. I was like, blue zones, blue zones, blue zones. He goes, Jillian, listen, okay? He goes, you understand that ethanol in your beverage? Ethanol, the alcohol in your beverage. Ethanol.

Jillian Michaels:

There's no healthy amount of it, right? Like, it's not good for your gut health. It's not good for your brain. Can your body get away with it? Yes. Can you do a moderate amount and be sure? But there's no healthy amount. And if you're going to try to sell me on it, he's like, you're just dead wrong and outdated on the.

Kim:

So alcohol is a guilty pleasure junk food, when you have it.

Jillian Michaels:

Yeah. A glass of wine, a tequila on the rocks, like you do the margaritas. No, girl, but I will do. I will do.

Kim:

Here we go.

Jillian Michaels:

So if they have a spicy margarita on the menu. Right, okay. What's in it? Fresh lime juice. Yes. Maybe muddled cucumbers. Yes. Maybe jalapenos.

Kim:

All.

Jillian Michaels:

Yes. Agave out? No. Honey? No. Simple syrup? No. Triple sec? No. So tequila with the fresh lime juice, maybe the tajin on there. And the jalapenos. Yes.

Jillian Michaels:

And I've been known to have two of those in a situation. What's happened before?

Kim:

Let me tell you something. I love you even more after this interview. Thank you for coming on, y'all. You gotta go. Go to Jillian. Go hit Jillian Michaels up on her website, jillianmichaels.com. download the fitness app and get Jillian Michaels as your personal trainer in your pocket. And check out Jillian's podcast, keeping it real with Jillian Michaels.

Kim:

No, I mean, that's not a stretch there. You already know YouTube. Totally on TikTok too. So check it out, which is now on video, which I love. And follow her on Instagram, Facebook, and all across social media platforms. Jillianmichaels. Jillian, can you come back? I love you.

Jillian Michaels:

Oh, my God. That's totally mutual. I would love it. Thank you for having me.

Kim:

And I gotta tell you something. You. There's something big coming down the pike for you in such a powerful way that you have been prepared for. I don't know what. I think it's going to really change, you know, the world, but especially Americans in our health. And I can't wait to watch it unfold.

Jillian Michaels:

You're so sweet. I hope so, bud. I know it's all been building to this, but as I've begun to alienate.

Kim:

More America, that means. I tell you, Jillian, I've just been following you, watching you, thinking to myself, oh, man, she's getting. She's. She's now at the firing range right now, and it's. I know, but I won't tell you. You're a warrior, my friend, and creative for such a time as this. For such a time as this.

Jillian Michaels:

I cannot tell you how much that means to me. Like, all jokes aside, that means the world to me, because. And I'll leave you with this. I was thinking. I was talking to a friend of mine who was at the nation's capital with me, and everyone's like, these are people that are trying to sell you something. And my friend Brigham was like, do they have any idea how much more money we would be making?

Kim:

This is the opposite of that.

Jillian Michaels:

It's like, you have 80 ideo. You don't take advertising dollars from big food. You don't take advertising dollars from big pharma. You don't take advertising dollars from big insurance. You can't do deals with any of these combinations. Like, so. You know, it's. Sometimes you go down this path and you're like, oh, man, how about it?

Kim:

What did I do? Yeah, but this is the thing. It's worth it. It's a mission.

Jillian Michaels:

Right side of history. It is. It's about being on the right side of history. So I hope to God you know that I can just at least do some good with that messaging. And I'm so grateful to you for having me on and for telling me that, because I think you may have said it right when I needed to hear it the most.

Kim:

Well, this is the thing, Jillian. Like, you're a mom, and you're. You have the children and you're. You know, you have. You're married and you have a family. And at the end of the day, that's what we're responsible for first and then our communities, which is our extended family. So I fully support you 1000%. If I can ever be your example of what not to do, call me.

Jillian Michaels:

You're my example of what to do. Your success has been tremendous. You've actually proved my point, and I like you even more. Thank you, guys.

Kim:

All right, girl. Appreciate you coming on. Love you, sis.

Zac:

Thank you so much.

Kim:

Bye.

Jillian Michaels:

Thank you, guys. I hope I get to talk to you again soon.

Kim:

Hello. But we're here and we're doing it, and we will not keep you too long. Cause I'm so glad you're here. You do look great. I love that jacket. Come on with it. That is hot. Yeah.

Jillian Michaels:

Appreciate it.

Zac:

Is everyone. Am I the one that's frozen?

Kim:

Oh, no, no. She's frozen, but I think she's coming back. She's back.

Zac:

She's going back.

Jillian Michaels:

Okay, guys, I'm sorry.

Kim:

The text of promise. Gonna be good. All right. 

Kim:

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