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Introduction:

This is The Kim Gravel Show.

Jennie Garth:

All of my life, I have felt like a pawn in someone else's chessboard. After 50, I realized I have so much to say. I have so much to share.

Kim:

Perry was a hottie mcTotty.

Jennie Garth:

It's true.

Kim:

What was it like making out with him?

Jennie Garth:

That was the end of my innocent childhood. It's okay to choose yourself. It's not selfish. It's important. Every day, I have an internal battle of, am I good enough? Can I do this? Am I a fraud?

Kim:

I needed you today, Jennie.

Jennie Garth:

Did you just say innards?

Kim:

Innards. Hey, y'all. Kim gravel here. And this is the Kim Gravel show, your one stop shop every single Wednesday for encouragement and laughter and just a whole heck of a lot of fun. My guest today. Oh, we got a good one. Just wait. She's from Illinois, okay? And she grew up there on a farm before starring as Kelly Taylor and Beverly Hills, 90210.

Kim:

Okay. That was one of the biggest shows. It was a huge cultural phenomenon of the last century. And now Jennie is like my sister, my QVC sister. She's got a new clothing line on QVC called me by Jennie Garth. She is one of my Q 50 sisters, and I'm telling you, her heart is as big as Texas. Okay? I was just recently on her podcast, which is called I choose me, y'all. Please, you know, I'm just gonna say this.

Kim:

I choose Jennie. So let's welcome Jennie.

Jennie Garth:

Wow. A singing, singing my name intro.

Kim:

Can you believe it? We spare no expense here.

Jennie Garth:

Oh, it was fancy.

Kim:

Listen, I got. Zac, I have to just say this real quick. I've got to get this out of the way. Right up front. Okay. Just right up front. Jennie. Just bear with me.

Kim:

I'm fan girly. I told you you were my best friend in high school, right?

Jennie Garth:

Okay.

Kim:

My other best friend's in the other room. I'm here at the queue. I'm in our apartment we just rented. We barely got, you know, anything on the walls. And I said, I've got to do this podcast with Jennie, but I just have to get this out of the way. You have an iconic scene from 9020 where you are standing in front of Dylan and Brandon.

Jennie Garth:

Okay?

Kim:

And you have to choose between those two loves in that show. And your iconic line that you say, I'll never forget is like, I choose me. I choose me. Well, girl, I'm just going. Full disclosure. I would have chosen Dylan. I'm telling you, self love is great, but Luke Perry was a hottie McTotty.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah, it's true.

Kim:

What was it like making out with him?

Jennie Garth:

It was like. It was weird. Almost like my brother kind of making out with my brother. Both of them.

Kim:

Brandon, Andy, you never dated him or Jason, you never dated either one of them?

Jennie Garth:

No, I mean, I was real life. In real life. No, I was kind of secretly in love with Luke. I've always been. I love Luke. Yeah. So he's very dear in my heart. And we then just became friends, you know?

Kim:

Yeah. So, I mean, but this is what started your whole entire, like, podcast. Your QVC clothing line. Everything about it was. Was from I choose me. Right. That. That was what.

Kim:

Tell me why that line was so iconic to you back in the day.

Jennie Garth:

Well, back in the day, yeah, back in the day, I didn't even know, really, the significance of what I was even saying. Like, I was. I was young and I didn't.

Kim:

How old were you? How old were you, Jennie?

Jennie Garth:

God, when I did that scene, maybe 22, 21, 22. Yeah. I didn't know what I was talking about. I choose me. And then later in life, like, after 50, I was looking big picture at things and thinking about where I've been and where I want to go, and I was kind of lost, and I didn't know what was next. And so I decided to go back in order to go forward, if that makes any sense, complete. And that line that I choose me, that Kelly said in 1995, I think, was something that just kind of stuck with me my whole life. It became sort of a mantra in my mind once I started really thinking about it.

Jennie Garth:

And then I thought, oh, my gosh, I need to remind women who saw it originally, maybe, or people who never even saw it. I need to remind people of the importance of that message. And I felt like that is my work. Like, I love acting, and I hope to act again. And it's got to be exactly the right project to get me on a set because I hate so much of the business. But I love acting.

Kim:

Hurry up and wait. Hurry up and wait.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah. And I just not interested in spending my days like that anymore. My precious time. So I kind of pivoted, and I wanted to do something that was so meaningful to me. And I felt like, I've always felt like I've been given this platform, this position in life to reach people, and I love connecting with people. I love helping people or changing people's the way they think. For me, that's what it's all about. So I was able to sort of pivot into this lane of getting this message out there, I choose me and telling women that it's okay to choose yourself.

Jennie Garth:

It's not selfish. It's important. That's where I am now. And everything just sort of fell into place with this whole I choose me sort of umbrella over my life, protecting me and guiding me. And it's really going great.

Kim:

Well, you know what? When you said, we got to talk about this a little bit more, because I totally agree with you when you say I choose me is not selfish.

Jennie Garth:

People think it's selfish.

Kim:

People, not only do they think it's selfish, but I think we're conditioned to believe that as women. Cause men don't have the same. That's not even the same. I mean, men have no problem. And sorry, Zac, we love you, but we're going down Male street here for you.

Zac:

Throw me right under the bus.

Kim:

Kim, that's, you know, I mean, that's what you get.

Jennie Garth:

Easiest to it.

Kim:

But this is the thing. Cause I live with three men, so I can speak to this pretty confidently that naturally, innately, guys, men, boys, they don't have a problem looking out for their best interest at first and taking care of themselves at first. And, you know, maybe we're gonna have to ask God one day why he made women the way he did and then the way made and that, hey, we could spend an eternity probably trying to figure that out. But for women, not only do we have that, I think innately, as mothers, as nurturers, to put ourselves on the back burner and put others before, but I think society, and I'm not blaming society, y'all don't send me a bunch of emails about it. I'm just saying we're conditioned that way, too.

Jennie Garth:

Absolutely.

Kim:

Why do you think, why do you think that is? And how, Jennie, have you broken that cycle in your life? Because you've done it.

Jennie Garth:

Well, I think you're exactly right. It's, we're nurturers were made to create life and keep it alive. Like our babies.

Kim:

Well, yeah, do our best. Do our best, do our best.

Jennie Garth:

And so I feel like that is just in our DNA. And when you're the head of a household, you fall into that role because it's natural and you put everybody's needs before your own. And I know as I was a young mom, I had my first baby when I was 23.

Kim:

Oh, lord.

Jennie Garth:

And I was pregnant and having raising children up until now, basically, my youngest daughter just turned 18. And so I gave up so much of my life happily and 100% like so grateful. What program? No, no, no. But I put myself on the back burner, and I put my. The things that I needed to do for myself on the back burner, and thought, I'll get to that later. You know, I don't have time. Whatever it was, you know, after 50, you just come to this amazing place, and hopefully your kids are grown and you're getting a little more time for yourself. But that's when you start to sort of reassess your priorities, and you have that liberty to put yourself into the mix, at least if you're not able to put yourself first yet.

Jennie Garth:

I know a lot of people really struggle with that concept, but if you can put it into your ethos, it will start to absorb, and then you will start noticing, like, right here, I could do this, or I could choose myself in this moment and do something that I want or something that's beneficial for me or good for my self care, my self love. Like, for instance, taking a bath or, you know, or taking out that time to just do self care in the bathroom. Like, for me, there will be days that go by, and I haven't applied a moisturizer to my full body, and I will turn into a lizard, and then I'll think, I just haven't had time to even moisturize myself. So I will lock myself in the bathroom, take a bath, do the loofah, scrub it all up, do everything just to take care of my own body and be so present in it and grateful for all the hard work it does. But we just don't do that. Like, that is a great, easy, I choose me moment that we forget to do. I forget to do it. And so I think we just go, go, go.

Jennie Garth:

And we don't. We don't put ourselves on our calendars.

Kim:

Oh, my gosh. When you decide that, I just want to raise my hands and just receive it, because go, go, go. I think it's Kim. Go, go, go. Gravel. I'm telling you, I think that's my name.

Jennie Garth:

I think it is.

Kim:

And, you know, it's exhausting and. But I love it, isn't it? The weird thing how we, as women, we will complain? My daddy used to say, I have never met a woman who didn't want a man and when she got one, wasn't complaining about him. I mean, and that's kind of like how we are as women, don't, you know, like, I want the career. I want to go. I want to travel. I want to do this, and then. And then I'm like, okay, so. And then it's almost like we are.

Kim:

We don't know how to sit in the moment.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah, but both of those things. Yeah, both of those things can exist at the same time. You can go, go, go and want to be all the things you want to be in life. And you can be exhausted and you can give yourself that time that you need to, like, replenish. And, you know.

Kim:

I needed you today, Jennie.

Jennie Garth:

I needed you. I have stepped into your world. I have so many balls in the air and I know what it feels like to be a mini Kim gravel. Like I told you before, you're like one of my idols. You're a person that I look to for guidance. And I've been trying to get you to take me out to lunche. We're going. The, you know, the notes.

Jennie Garth:

All the notes.

Kim:

Hold on. Amy goins, get out here now.

Jennie Garth:

Amy, make it happen.

Kim:

Come on.

Jennie Garth:

I emailed you.

Kim:

Step out here. I know you can hear me. She's not asleep. She's like, huh?

Jennie Garth:

She said, when you get back to.

Kim:

Atlanta, walk over here.

Zac:

Jennie, you need to understand, if Kim didn't have Amy, just the wheels would fall off.

Jennie Garth:

I don't know. Hi, Amy.

Kim:

Okay, put your head down.

Jennie Garth:

You look good. You look good. Right there.

Kim:

Right there. Jennie. We just had an argument because she took me to cracker Barrel and it was slammed. We couldn't even get in.

Jennie Garth:

Wait, why did you go to cracker barrel? First of all, oh, my gosh. What do you eat there?

Kim:

She said, why did you go to cracker barrel? Bless her heart. Have you never been?

Jennie Garth:

Oh, I've been. I love it. But what do you eat at cracker barrel?

Kim:

Ever? She said, what do we eat at cracker barrel? Chicken and dumplings, green beans, fried okra. What? Can I get in? Yeah, I. What I'm on now is the country fried steak. Country fried steak.

Jennie Garth:

Oh, so good.

Kim:

So tell Jennie we're there. We're there. We're taking it. Yeah.

Jennie Garth:

Let's have our meeting at Cracker barrel.

Kim:

That would be amazing.

Jennie Garth:

I'd be so sorry.

Jennie Garth:

Okay, let's do it.

Kim:

We're going after this. Okay. Okay.

Zac:

Anyway, can I just interject for a second? I have to mourn something. The cracker barrel that's close to me, closed. And it is the saddest thing. Now I have to go half an hour to cracker barrel.

Jennie Garth:

They don't have cracker barrel where I live.

Kim:

No, you're in California. They eat kale.

Jennie Garth:

Yes.

Zac:

No, but I'm in California. Sacramento. Cracker barrel closed.

Kim:

Yeah, Sacramento's got like LA people. Okay, look, Amy and I bring our own snacks when we go to LA.

Zac:

All right.

Jennie Garth:

I bring my own snacks when I come over there.

Kim:

They do. I know, but this is the thing, Jennie, because I want to talk about your brand. Because when you. When you first I said to QVC, I said, oh, this gonna go. This girl's gonna go. And I'm gonna tell you why. You are 100,000% unapologetically yourself. You are like a cozy blanket I want to wrap myself in.

Kim:

Meaning there is such. You're a soft place to land. And when I tell you that women need that, we need that. We need what you have to offer, because we aren't, like you said, we're go, go, go. But we're also dealing with a lot of stress. Some people are health problems. Some people finance somebody with their kid. You know, they've got their prodigal son.

Kim:

They're praying for their kids, you know, to come back home, come, come into the fold. What, how long did it take you to realize that you are who you are and you have something to offer? Can you share your experience with that? Because a lot of women are listening right now and saying, I want. I want to be that.

Jennie Garth:

Well, it wasn't easy for. So, I mean, all of my life, basically, I have felt like a pawn in someone else's puzzle upon their chessboard, you know?

Kim:

What do you mean by that?

Jennie Garth:

Explain just that. In this industry that I found myself in, I'm 100% replaceable. Like they're you. If you fire me, you'll find somebody else, like, you know what I mean? And there's so much competition and rejection, and there, you know, especially growing up, people did not take my voice seriously. People did, you know, or they would placate me and say, uh huh, uh huh. But go and have a different situation happening. So I learned for so long to just do my job, put my head down, do my job, and then go home where I felt comfortable. And now, after 50, I've realized I have spent this life gathering all this knowledge and wisdom and experience, and I have so much to say.

Jennie Garth:

I have so much to share. And I just said, guess what? You get a seat at the table. Like, you are allowed to be heard. And that, for me, it just opened me up to shifting my own perspective. And it really does come back to loving who you are. Loving yourself. You don't have to love yourself. It's really hard to say I love myself to look in the mirror and say, I love you.

Jennie Garth:

But if you can connect with that inner baby inside of you, that young girl that was struggling and not be feeling heard and feeling like that pawn on their chessboard, and you can comfort her and guide her and say, like, look, we're going to go a different direction now, and I got you and we're going to do this together. And for me, that was what I needed, was to love myself and be my own support, my own best friend, my own cheerleader, and do it anyway. Even in the face of fear or the face of looking foolish or the face of failure. I just don't accept no for an answer for myself anymore.

Kim:

Did you grow up in a strong family unit? Like, what was your childhood like? How did you decide to become an actress? Because, like, if my kids came home and said they wanted to be an actress, I'd be like, that's fine, but you can wait till you about like 20 something years old when you can really understand the ups and downs of life a little bit. Like, what was your childhood like?

Jennie Garth:

I grew up, it was extremely idyllic. I grew up on, I was gonna.

Kim:

Say, didn't you grow up with a farm? What kind of farming do y'all do?

Jennie Garth:

Well, we just was a horse farm, basically. We just had animals and. Yeah, and we had a big barn and people boarded their horses there, stuff like that. So there was always work going on. My dad was an educator by day and a farm guy, ranch guy by night. And, you know, he was living both worlds. And we, he built the house that we grew up in and it, you know, that was the garden. We ate from our garden, you know, very Illinois, very midwestern, and just, for me, just the best, very supportive parents.

Jennie Garth:

My dad got sick when I was twelve, and that kind of changed the trajectory of all of our lives. We moved away from Illinois to a warmer, drier climate for his heart. And that was like the end of, like, my innocent childhood.

Kim:

The end of the innocence. Yeah.

Jennie Garth:

Yes. Yeah. And I had to just jump into the deep end and learn how to fend for myself out there. And that was in Arizona. And then I had to go and do that again in LA, which, they're totally different worlds. I mean, so, so far from the midwest. And I never planned on being an actress. I never, like, said, I want to be an actress.

Jennie Garth:

I didn't even think that was an option. I used to love to look at my reflection in like, the sliding glass window and like, do little dances and see, watch myself do them. You know, and stuff like that. But I never, ever thought that going and being a professional in this industry could be an option for me. And then somehow it just happened. And all the, you know, how life just is so mysterious, and things fall into place in the most mysterious ways, but I am really grateful that that's how I've sort of lived my life up until now, where I just don't have a plan. I've gone with the flow. I've gone where life has taken me through the ups and through the downs, and I've survived.

Jennie Garth:

And now, once I decided to love myself enough to take risks and not take no for an answer, that's when I became more in control of what I'm doing. My destiny, my what, you know, the impact that whatever I'm doing has, because I want to leave something behind when I'm gone. And I want my life to have mattered, and I want to have touched people or helped people or taught people, because that's just in my DNA. So, yeah, I never planned on being an actress. I just ended up there. And then all of a sudden, I was there, and that's what my life was. And then I started having babies, and I was working to pay the bills and trying to juggle being an actress and being, you know, what people wanted me to be all the time, but at the same time, yearning to be home and taking care of my babies and being a homemaker, because that's my thing. I would rather do that than anything.

Jennie Garth:

I'd rather be vacuuming the floors than pretty much anything.

Kim:

I'd rather have my floors vacuumed. Absolutely.

Jennie Garth:

Oh, come on.

Kim:

I like you. I love the homemaking thing. I just want somebody to do it for me at this point. But I get it. I know what you mean. Like, there's nothing, like, the comfort of home is that, like, you cook a lot? Cause you cook a lot on your social media. Like, you can cook.

Jennie Garth:

I cook. I don't like to go out. I don't like to. I spend so much money on groceries, and then my kids come home, and they're like, what's for dinner? And I'm still working at 06:00 p.m. and juggling all the things, and I'm like, I don't know what's for dinner. There's a kitchen full of groceries. I just spent $380 on groceries. Go find something.

Jennie Garth:

And inevitably, there's nothing there to eat ever, and they'll want to order in. And so I feel like all I do is work just to feed my family. Basically, that's what we do.

Kim:

Well, and you've got girls, right?

Jennie Garth:

I've got girls double. Well, it balances out because the food that my daughters, my la born and bred daughters eat is expensive.

Kim:

I know y'all got some high dollar taste fried chicken and some, you know, a good biscuit that'll cut up fruit. Maybe that'll last them. This is the whole thing, though. I love what you say. Like, I feel like, correct me if I'm wrong or answer this. You've been given this platform because you said you want your life to matter. You want to leave a legacy. You've been given this platform with that whole 90210.

Kim:

That was huge. I mean, that show, it's undeniable. It was a game changer, a cultural shift, everything. And you just had one of your co stars pass away. Oh, Shannon.

Jennie Garth:

Yep.

Kim:

Break your heart. Break your heart.

Jennie Garth:

Hard to even.

Kim:

She fought that cancer battle for so long and did it so bravely.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah.

Kim:

And, you know, that connected all of y'all and that it's giving you this platform. Do you feel like the I choose me now was this was the setup back then, giving you this platform so that you can make that difference even now?

Jennie Garth:

Yeah. I believe that everything happens for a reason.

Kim:

Come on.

Jennie Garth:

And I would not be where I am in this very moment if it hadn't been for that show, for those relationships in that moment, that line, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you. I have. And I think that that's one of the key things for people is to wrap your head around the things that have gotten you to where you are right now and just be, like, so grateful for them. It's hard sometimes it's hard. You have to just go back to gratitude. Whenever you're stressed, whenever you're overwhelmed, whenever you're mad, whenever you're. You feel like you're, you know, sometimes women feel like, oh, like I'm unpleasable. Like, you know, like you said, we're never happy.

Jennie Garth:

We're always, like, wanting something and then complaining about it. But you got to go back to that place of gratitude for where you are. And I do it every day, you guys. Every day, I have an internal battle of, am I good enough? Can I do this? Am I a fraud? Am I. This is so hard. I don't think I'm capable of it. And every.

Kim:

But you know what, Jennie? So you go through that. People like Kim, oh, my gosh, you never get down here. I'm like, oh, my gosh, I'm a yo yo, I'm up, I'm down. I'm all around. I mean, yeah, all of us go through that. There's no human being on this planet. That is. What's that word?

Jennie Garth:

Immune from insecurity, insecurities, fears.

Kim:

Fraud. The thing you said, fraud. Tell me about that. Like, do you feel that? Why do you feel like sometimes you're a fraud? I can speak to myself, but you said it, so I'm going to get you done.

Jennie Garth:

It's called imposter syndrome. I mean, that's the total nowadays, but, yeah, I just feel like because I. And you can definitely relate, I'm sure. I talk about positivity. I talk about taking care of yourself. I talk about being your own best friend and loving yourself. And sometimes I don't do that for myself. Sometimes I don't practice what I preach.

Jennie Garth:

And so that is when I feel inauthentic and like a fraud. And then I think, how can I continue to give these messages out or, you know, say these things to women that look to me when I'm not doing it myself? And so I think that's where. And also, you know, that whole imposter syndrome thing comes back to just not feeling like you're good enough. I think just being a female in this world, being a woman, having to. Having grown up, you know, you and I are similar. Like, in the world where our looks matter. And a lot of times we're judged by our looks. We're judged.

Jennie Garth:

We're put in a box, because that's what purpose we serve, our weight, our body, and that strive that not. It's not an internal strive. It's an external pressure to be perfect, to be what everybody else wants. Because internally, I'm so happy with who I am and, like, my aging, and, you know, I'm. I take good care of myself for myself, not for, you know, how I look. But unfortunately, that does come into the equation when you are a public figure, and it's really hard to. To stay in touch with the real you in those moments.

Kim:

Do you know what? I think I'm getting better looking on the outside. Like you said, my innards have always been strong, but because. And I enjoy it.

Jennie Garth:

Did you just say innards?

Kim:

Innards.

Jennie Garth:

I love you.

Zac:

Thank you for calling that out.

Kim:

I made it like. Like, I want to talk a little bit about the superficial Miss Hollywood I do, because I just think. I think women, it's. You can have both in a big way. I mean, I tell women this all the time. Look, slap a little paint on that barn. I love it. I don't know any woman.

Kim:

I've never met a woman you can make, and you're in Hollywood, so you probably. I've never met anyone that, like, doesn't want to look great and feel great and have makeup and have, like, your clothes are gorgeous. You are a fantastic designer. Y'all need to go check out her line. I choose me. You need to trust me. It's so luxe. The fabrics are so nice.

Kim:

The cuts, the fits. It's very California chic, but with. With a midwestern feel, it really is not. Oh, my God. You should use that.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah, I like that.

Kim:

California chic with that midwestern thing.

Kim:

Let me think. Hold on. It's coming to me, y'all. I'm sorry. Just pause this. You don't need to take this out of the podcast.

Zac:

Let's workshop this. Let's workshop this.

Kim:

I'm working. California chic with the Midwestern. I need an M. Midwestern. I don't know. It's coming to me, but to me, it's, like, the best. It's the marrying of the best of both worlds, from your.

Kim:

From who you are. Like, I get you when I see your line, I'm like, oh, yeah. Not only do I like that, and that is her. I want a piece of that. And so, for me, I forgot even where I was going with this, but I'm just saying it was somewhere good. It'll come to me. But to me, there's nothing wrong with wanting to put on the great pair of jeans, great boot or heel, and some makeup and look. So that's what you're bringing to us.

Kim:

You're bringing us a little bit of, like, that wearable Hollywood.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah. And like, that comfort. Let's be comfortable in our own skin, and let's just be who we are. But put, you know. And I just want to do it up. Yeah. I mean, I know people that don't wear makeup and don't, you know, don't worry about how they look into the outside world. And I feel like that's so admirable and free, like, oh, my God, to be that free.

Jennie Garth:

But I don't feel like I'm in the place to do that. And I do like looking nice, and I do like putting my best foot forward.

Kim:

I think everybody, I'm telling you, every woman I see, and, like, when I'm hearing from all of our QVC community, because now you and I are sisters in the Q 50, and you're such a great ambassador. And when I saw, you know, that you were going to be a part of this, I was excited because, like, you and I, personality wise, believe it or not, are similar. I know you think that we're not, but we are.

Jennie Garth:

Okay, break that down for me.

Kim:

Okay.

Jennie Garth:

Well, I mean, I know I definitely see similarities in.

Kim:

I definitely do. I told Amy that might be a felt. I'm like, Jennie's my best. I'm just telling you, she's. She's a girls girl.

Jennie Garth:

Mm hmm.

Kim:

Definitely a girls girl. That's one thing. And number two, your heart is for truly to empower and inspire and have sisterhood with other women.

Jennie Garth:

Same as me.

Kim:

I believe that. Yes. Same as me. I'm a loud, crazy, nut job extrovert. But you say that you're an introvert.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah. I am such an introvert.

Kim:

I did not even believe that.

Jennie Garth:

No, I'm an introvert. That's why, you know, when I do go on air for QVC, I am. That's who I am. I'm just that person. I can't, like, put on something just to sell stuff. Like, that's not what I'm there for. Like, I'm just me, and I love being normal. I like being one of the people.

Jennie Garth:

Like, I'm. I'm just like you.

Kim:

First of all, I wouldn't say that. I don't say that you're normal because I don't think none of us are too normal. That's where we differ, because I know I'm not normal.

Jennie Garth:

No, but I love being an introvert. My father, a few. Few words, like, he was a very quiet man, but also extremely intelligent and had so much wisdom and was very giving. He was an educator. He taught adults to read and write. Like, that was his passion, adult education to people that hadn't been exposed to it or had the opportunity to go to school. And he was, you know, really, that was his love. And I feel like I have so much of my dad and me, but my mom also is a person that loves to help people and loves to help fix people's problems or give them insight, you know? And it's just, I live for it.

Jennie Garth:

I used to make fun of my mom because she had a gajillion self help books on her shelf.

Kim:

I love a good self help book.

Jennie Garth:

Though, but I would sit and look through them, and then there. But then I became a teenage teenager, and I was embarrassed by it, and I was like, oh, my God, my mom's crazy. She's got to get her shit together. Oops. I can't say that she's got to get her together, but she, she. Now I've got books.

Kim:

You are your mother.

Jennie Garth:

You are your mother, basically. Thank you for just saying it outright. I'm not going to utter those words, but thank you for doing it because it's true.

Kim:

It's so true. I'm my mother, too. And honestly, like, we all went to lunch the other day and we all fought because we are all loud and just obnoxious and so, and we all just rotted. I've never gone to lunch with you again. So I just did that with Amy before the podcast and I thought, oh, my God, I'm my mother. We become our mothers. And you know what? Thank God.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah. I mean, hopefully you've got a good mom and if you, if you don't have a good mom, then find somebody else to look up to like you would a mother.

Kim:

That's it. Yeah, girl, you've got a lot of wisdom. Okay. Do you journal?

Jennie Garth:

I do. I have. I haven't had time in quite a long time now, but I encourage my daughter to journal when she's is frustrated and has all these feelings inside. And I'm like, just get it down on paper. Get it out of you because that's what it's all about. And now I've journaled all my life and I take notes when I'm, you know, taking courses or classes or reading a book. Like, I have books, journals full of like, tidbits and little tips and also just ramblings of getting stuff out of my brain.

Kim:

What do you, what do you want? I choose me to do, because I know you are, you are committed to making this brand huge and you're committed to really because your brand is very, again, we're very similar in this way. Your brand is about the message. It's not about the product. Product matters. And it's fantastic.

Jennie Garth:

Absolutely.

Kim:

But when you say that's the case for you, what do you want your brand to do for women and to be for women?

Jennie Garth:

I just want women to get to know that it's okay and it's acceptable. And it's amazing to put yourself first, to have the mindset of loving yourself so that you can love others better. And I just feel like I, that's my, that's my mantra now. And I just want other women to be able to say that and believe it, you know, because just saying it only goes so far. But if you believe your worth of your time and your love and other people's time and love then it's. It's transformational, and it takes work.

Kim:

I like how you say it takes. It takes a discipline almost, to remind yourself, like what you said when you get upset, when you're just stop and be thankful. And grateful. That's so because it resets. Does a whole reset.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah. That's one of the only things that can reset me in those moments is like, okay, remember how grateful you are for that tree? Or, oh, I love the roof over my head, whatever. Yeah.

Kim:

And just choose yourself. Okay, so before you go, I know we've been on almost hour, so I don't want to keep you. I'd keep you all day. I wish you were here to go to. I want to do this thing called rapid fire where I just ask you, like, a kajillion questions, and the first thing that comes up comes out, okay. Even if you don't want to answer it, do it anyway.

Jennie Garth:

Okay. Okay.

Kim:

Okay. Okay, rapid fire questions. I'm gonna go light on you right at the beginning. What is your favorite tv show from the nineties other than yours, what was your favorite tv show?

Jennie Garth:

Friends.

Kim:

Friends. Okay. Did you ever meet any of the friends friends?

Jennie Garth:

Yeah, when I was doing. I did a sitcom for four years on the stages, Warner Brothers stages, and the friends stage was directly across from the stage where I was working on what I like about you. And we would see each other and. Yeah, but I'm not like friends with the friends. We're not friends.

Kim:

But you've met the friends.

Jennie Garth:

But I've met friends, so say that again.

Kim:

You're not friends with the friends.

Jennie Garth:

I'm not friends with the friends, but I am friendly with the friends.

Kim:

Got it.

Zac:

Is it fair to say the friends are more of a friend of a friend?

Jennie Garth:

I would say, yeah, very accurate. But I'm a fan of friends, so.

Kim:

Me too. Yeah, me too. But see, I didn't like friends as much as 90210.

Jennie Garth:

It was a different voice, you know, 90210.

Kim:

I mean, I fixed a lot of problems for me in high school, like when church didn't make it or my mom and dad, I wasn't listening to them. I could just turn on old Kelly, and she would always help me through. Okay. Do you feel like 90210 has aged well?

Jennie Garth:

Yes. Out of two, it's quintessential nineties. It is, because that show was on the entire decade of the nineties, and so you can watch that. And the nineties, I think, might have been the best decade ever.

Kim:

I thought the eighties were good.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah, but nineties, eighties were great. But the hair and the makeup and the clothes and the evolution of, like, strength in young people. And I think that it was such a great, great era, but I think that. What was I saying? This happens. Do you know about brain fog?

Kim:

Sweetheart, I've had it twice. You're talking.

Zac:

Does Kim know about brain fog?

Jennie Garth:

Wait, okay, let me ask you this. When you're talking, doing a podcast, you're on air, and all of a sudden your mind goes completely blank. What do you do? I need to know so I can.

Kim:

Do just what we just did.

Jennie Garth:

Admit it.

Kim:

I just had brain fart admitted because.

Jennie Garth:

There'S really no other answer.

Kim:

I am tired of faking every bit of everything. Like, let me tell you something. I'm the smartest person I know. I'm the wisest person I know. You know why?

Jennie Garth:

Why?

Kim:

Because I know. I don't know nothing. I like that there's wisdom in that, right? So. So, you know, it's just knowing, I don't know, a dag on thing. So I just say it again. What comes up, comes out. That's what I say. If you got brain fog, so do I.

Kim:

Because I can't remember what we were talking about either.

Jennie Garth:

Me either, Zac.

Zac:

I don't know.

Jennie Garth:

He wasn't listening.

Kim:

He's listening. He's listening, but he's like, you know, he's so used to me and my squirrel rabbit holes. You're in good hands.

Zac:

I have a different podcast playing in my ears. Actually. I'm just doing a totally different thing.

Kim:

He's crazy. Here we go. Here we go.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah, yeah.

Kim:

What is your favorite? Like, midwestern comfort food rice. Oh, God. What is it?

Jennie Garth:

I don't know. You know, I try to be healthy and eat the brown rice, but the.

Kim:

White rice, who gives a crap about the brown rice? What do you put it? Like? I put butter. I put a lot of butter and a lot of garlic salt in my rice. My sons could just eat it by the vats.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah, I mean. Cause we weren't wealthy growing up and we lived out in the country and a lot of time you gotta go with those dry goods in the cupboards, right? So inexpensive. And we would find all kinds of creative things to do with the rice. But whenever I don't feel well, whenever I'm, like, overwhelmed or. And my daughters are the same way, because I've carried on the tradition for them and that it's. They have to have some rice to just feel like themselves again. But we put. To answer your question, we put, I don't eat dairy.

Jennie Garth:

So I, we, I put fake butter on it.

Kim:

Yum.

Jennie Garth:

Uh huh. And then lots of salt. You know what I do with rice, too, that I love? Rice cakes. Have you ever had a rice cake? Okay, so what you do, you put the egg in it and you mix it up and then you fry it in a pan.

Kim:

Oh, Lord.

Zac:

Tell us how to do that. I want to make that right now.

Jennie Garth:

Okay. Rice in a bowl. Put in eggs. In my case, I put in fake eggs, mix it up. You can put a little vanilla and if you want. I don't do that. I like a plain. Then you put in the hot skillet and you fry it.

Jennie Garth:

I like to use avocado oil, people, because that's a lot healthier for you. And you fry it, then you eat it. You put your butter on it and then some syrup and of course, a little dash of salt on top. Oh, my God.

Kim:

Yeah. Rice is now become. And let me tell you something. Like, I made chicken and rice before. Oh, God. I could eat that, right? Rice is, like the best. I think that's the best, like, food question we've ever had answered.

Zac:

Do you cook it, like, al dente? Like, do you like it kind of hard or, like, sticky or. How do you like it?

Jennie Garth:

I like it all the ways, like, we do it al dente. Sometimes. Sometimes you just want that real mush. But, yeah, I just love rice.

Kim:

Okay. Okay. All right. Who was your celebrity crushed then? Nine or two one of days. And who is your celebrity crush now? And make it good. Don't, don't go, like, go really, like, raw and real with it.

Jennie Garth:

My celebrity crush then. Alan Alda.

Zac:

I like that. I love that answer.

Kim:

I've got to look him up. Hold on. Alan Alta.

Zac:

He's a lovely mandehead.

Jennie Garth:

I loved m a s h, that show. M a s h. Growing up.

Kim:

Allen Alden from mash. That's what I thought. Okay.

Jennie Garth:

Or here, how about this one? John Ritter.

Kim:

Okay. I wanna say Allen Alden too, because, I mean, I'm not gonna judge that. Allen, I love you. You know, mine was like, you know, Bowen, Luke Duke from. Just a good old boy with them tight jeans.

Jennie Garth:

Oh, yeah, that's slight.

Kim:

I used to have a poster of them in my room. I used to have a poster of 90210 and Duke's of Hazzard.

Jennie Garth:

That's all you needed. The best of both worlds right there.

Kim:

That's. Okay. Celebrity crush now.

Jennie Garth:

Okay.

Kim:

I want you to keep it very superficial.

Jennie Garth:

Well, there's a lot of celebrities nowadays. I can't keep up. I'm gonna go with my. My default one, which is Tom Hardy.

Kim:

Nice.

Jennie Garth:

Okay. There was a movie he did with Reese Witherspoon, and I am obsessed with it, and I can't remember the name of it right now. What's the name of the war?

Kim:

This means war, and he's so cute in it. Okay, that's good. We're both married women, so you still.

Zac:

Could have said Alan Alda, just for the record.

Kim:

Like, he's 88. He's still kicking it. Yeah, yeah. No, we're not trying to take care of a bunch of, you know, men anymore. Okay, here we go. What message? Okay, what's the most important message from I choose me. That you want someone to say. Give me, like, one sentence.

Jennie Garth:

I choose me stands for loving yourself.

Kim:

That's it.

Jennie Garth:

That's. I mean, it's pretty simple.

Kim:

Simple.

Jennie Garth:

It all starts with loving yourself.

Kim:

That's it. How do you do that?

Jennie Garth:

For me, I have to talk to my inner child a lot. I have to mother myself. I have to nurture myself. And I imagine I was such an amazing mom. Having babies and little. Raising little women is the joy of my life, my purpose, and I was really good at it, and I still am. But it's the one thing where I don't feel like I'm, you know, having a big head about it. I know of.

Jennie Garth:

I'm a good mom.

Kim:

Let's go and see that. To me, you saying that, like, I think everybody right now, listening to this podcast do exactly what Jennie just did. I want you to say one thing that irrefutably, it doesn't matter what people might say or think. If it sounds cocky, if it sounds like you're being confident, good, good. One thing that you know, that you know, ain't nobody can tell you nothing else other than that. I love that, Jennie.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah.

Kim:

I love that. It's important to say it.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah. It's important to say it and walk around with it, like, come on, let it seep into.

Kim:

I told you, Zac. Jennie is deep. Yeah. Jennie got. She got some depth. Okay. There is a video Zac is going to play. It's called body in progress.

Kim:

I want you to watch this and tell me the first thing that comes to your mind. Don't say anything yet. Just watch the video.

Zac:

I just want to say, like, this is such a beautiful. Let me just. I just want to say one thing. This was recorded from someone's vhs, which makes it so much more like, oh, yeah, okay.

Jennie Garth:

It's like Og.

Zac:

Yeah, yeah.

Kim:

This is so good.

Jennie Garth:

I'll show you the program that was designed to help me. Okay. Let's do this together. It'll be fun. Wow.

Kim:

Jennie, you look. You look the same, girl.

Jennie Garth:

I feel the same. That I feel like there I am because I was doing something in this video that I was passionate about, which was helping people feel their best.

Kim:

Okay.

Jennie Garth:

But I would like to go back and not wear those black sneakers.

Kim:

The black sneakers. But that was the eighties, girl. I mean, that was the nineties, girl. That was the nineties, so.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah, but I'm proud of that video, you guys. And I know that I have a few lovely, beautiful friends, fans, that it changed their life. It got them on the road to taking better care of themselves. So. Yay.

Kim:

I wanted to play this, and I wanted to get your reaction. I've got an idea for you. I think you need to bring this back to your line. I choose me. Maybe you do this comfortable workout wear. I'm just saying.

Jennie Garth:

No, no. This is all. We're simpatico. I thought you were very similar. I want to do me fit.

Kim:

It's done. You're doing it. And then we're going to do the video together. You're going to do the video and the Q 50, and I'm going to be on the front row huffing and puffing. I'm going to be there. Let's do it.

Zac:

I would pay so much. That would be incredible. This is. You're standing up in the background. You're coming out.

Kim:

This is going to be me, Jennie.

Jennie Garth:

Sweaty.

Zac:

This is it.

Jennie Garth:

Jennie.

Kim:

That's you. No, no, no. I've got your people, girl. I've got me. Fit is you leading it, and me and Amy on the back behind you, backing you up. We got.

Jennie Garth:

Boy, I love it. I love it so much. Yeah. Body still in progress. How about that?

Kim:

How about body? Body. Well, that's not. I'm not gonna be negative. I'm not gonna be negative.

Jennie Garth:

We're not doing it.

Kim:

We're gonna stick piles of body still in progress. Favorite junk food. Sweet and salty. And make it junky. Now I need it just as trashy as it can be.

Jennie Garth:

Rice Krispie treats.

Kim:

Oh, God. Okay, that's a win, because this is. Okay, let me ask you this question. I'm sorry. I'm a big foodie, as you can tell. Junk food. Do you like them prepackaged or do you like to make your own?

Jennie Garth:

Don't you?

Kim:

Okay, me neither.

Jennie Garth:

No, no. They have to be fresh out of the pan.

Kim:

Because you got to make them. Can I tell you, every holiday I make them, because that's the only time I make them. And I have, like, 20 people. And the Rice Krispies treats are gone before the turkey, before the pecan pie, everything. Rice Krispies are gone. M and M's in mine.

Jennie Garth:

I'm gonna do that, and I'm gonna let myself have sugar that day because you just told me it was okay.

Kim:

Thank you.

Jennie Garth:

And you know what?

Kim:

I will call you on facetime and we'll eat it together.

Jennie Garth:

Okay? Oh, that's so good. Wait, I used to. Did you ever do this young girl.

Kim:

Just come to Atlanta.

Jennie Garth:

Come to Atlanta. It's so close. Did you ever sit with the. Did you make your own little individual rice Krispie treat situation and just sit on the couch and watch something on tv and eat it right out of the pan?

Kim:

I wouldn't even cut it. I would just follow it up. Just.

Jennie Garth:

Yep. On the.

Kim:

Okay, so, okay. Sweet. Is Rice Krispie treats salty?

Jennie Garth:

Oh, God. I put salt on everything.

Kim:

You're a salt lick.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah, I put salt on my. If I. If I'm eating a sweet, I put salt on it. If I'm eating a fruit, I usually put salt on it. Like, I put salt on everything.

Kim:

Do you salt your watermelon?

Jennie Garth:

Yes. How do you know people?

Kim:

Because that's. I mean, and let me tell you something. If you've never tried put. If you don't drink Coca Cola on holiday, do it. I take a Coca Cola and I pour a pack of salted peanuts in it. Whoa. That's a southern. Oh, it's so good.

Jennie Garth:

I've never done that.

Zac:

You've said that. And it freaks me out then, and it freaks me out now. I'm not gonna lie, Kim.

Jennie Garth:

So the peanuts are like rice cakes.

Kim:

Don't freak you out with salt and salted Pepsi.

Jennie Garth:

Coke, which is. Wait, Pepsi or coke?

Kim:

Well, we atlanta, so we have to do coke, but we used to do, growing up, RC Cola. So we take an RC cola.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So good. I don't think people should be drinking that stuff, though. Just saying.

Kim:

I, you know, I just had a half of one. God bless.

Jennie Garth:

Come on. It's all right.

Kim:

I choose me, but just not the healthy me right now.

Jennie Garth:

Oh, my God. I asked a guy yesterday what was his last I choose me moment, and he said, I ate an entire extra large pepperoni pizza.

Kim:

Yay.

Zac:

Yes.

Kim:

I love him. Let me tell you something. As a mother. You so funny how you said you loved a mother. Not that I don't love my kids, but I'm always throwing them under the bus, being a mother was the hardest thing for me. Not literally people. And I remember saying, I don't know if I'm going to be able to be a good mom. And I'm still doubtful today.

Jennie Garth:

I mean, yeah, those thoughts come into my head, too.

Kim:

They do?

Jennie Garth:

Oh, yeah.

Kim:

But my kids, they text me. Like my son said, I miss you so much. Can't wait till you get home. I'm so stoked. And I thought, you know what? Everybody doesn't have to be the same, Jennie. We just have to be ourselves. Is that what you're saying?

Jennie Garth:

Oh, yeah. Be you, glorious. You choose. You choose you.

Kim:

Okay. Okay. One last thing. One last thing I want you to give me. I love to say this about people all the time. I want to ask them this. This is that one last question. What is your hope and dream for everybody? Listening to you right now.

Kim:

What do you want people to take away other than I choose me from you right now. As this rapid fire comes to an end.

Jennie Garth:

You're going to be okay. Everything's going to work out. Everything is going to be ok. How do you know?

Kim:

How do you know?

Jennie Garth:

I don't know. But I just know. That's all there is, y'all.

Kim:

I don't even know what more to say. I mean, you've got to go check out her podcast. I choose me, which is available on all the podcast platforms.

Jennie Garth:

Yes. And hear you on it.

Kim:

Yeah, I'm getting ready to be on there. Get ready. You got to go to qvc.com. you got to check out me by Jennie Garth. Go to qvC.com, comma, shop her line. She is all over social media. Ennigarth on Instagram, Facebook, on X. But on TikTok now she's the official Jennie Garth.

Kim:

So I guess it means you have to watch out for those unofficial videos that she's putting on everything else. It's official Jennie Garth on TikTok. And, y'all, when I'm telling you, you've got to go check out her apparel line. It is stunning. She also has a home line with one of her BFF's, Tori spelling. And you know, Jennie, what are you excited about this holiday season as your. As your line drops? I haven't seen any of it yet. But you did a beautiful holiday collection for what I hear.

Jennie Garth:

Yeah, well, we did. We tried to infuse some holiday into our November drop. Absolutely. But it wasn't a specific holiday drop for the fashion. But, I mean, there's just. There's nothing that I don't love about what I'm doing right now. It's hard work.

Kim:

It's hard. I know we had that conversation, you.

Jennie Garth:

And I, but I'm getting to do this with my daughter, my middle daughter, Lola. And that is the greatest reward that I. That's the best thing I could be getting. The money, the time, whatever. Does not matter. It's that I'm helping my daughter launch and learn something valuable that can carry her into her own education. Yep. So that's.

Kim:

You've got to bring Lola on. You have to bring her on air. I want to meet her.

Jennie Garth:

I know. I want people to meet her. She's just shy.

Kim:

Well, listen, tell her to come hang out with us at cracker barrel. We'll have some rice treats. We'll get her some rice first, retreats, and we'll go to cracker barrel, and she'll never be the same. No, but you have to come back. Will you come back and be on the show?

Jennie Garth:

I will. Anytime you call me.

Kim:

Do you know what we're going to do? I just had this idea I was going to be telling you. What? See, I need help. I tell everybody what to do, including Zac. Zac. I need to pitch to QVC. Me and Jennie and a couple of other. The Q 50. We should do a talk show.

Jennie Garth:

Oh, my God, that would be awesome.

Kim:

We can do an I choose me. Love who you are, QVC 50 and fabulous talk show.

Jennie Garth:

I love it. We would be so good together.

Kim:

Well, I'll call your people, and you can call Zac.

Jennie Garth:

Oh, my God. Zac.

Kim:

My people is Zac and Amy. That's it.

Jennie Garth:

That's all you need?

Kim:

All right, Jennie. That's all I need. How do you get. Thank you. Thank you.

Zac:

Jennie needs. Thank you.

Kim:

I love you, Jennie. I love you to the moon and back. I think we're talking on the phone coming up this week.

Jennie Garth:

Yep. We're gonna make it happen.

Kim:

We're gonna make stuff happen.

Jennie Garth:

Thank you.

Kim:

All right, y'all, thank you for coming. And y'all go check out Jeannie Garz. I choose me on QVC. Until next time, remember, choose yourself. Love who you are. Cause God made you special. Sister sledge. Love y'all.

Jennie Garth:

And now I hear you from the computer and in my ears.

Zac:

Oh, that is so strange. It did give me a warning that you had riverside open in multiple windows. Is that possible?

Jennie Garth:

Okay. Is this better? I closed one of the windows.

Zac:

Did that fix it?

Jennie Garth:

Yeah, I think so.

Kim:

Look at us troubleshooting. So we can't handle the snow out here. The first year when we had. We came out here and it snowed and I had to go scrape my car off. I was like, I don't think so. I can't. I'm not cut out for this.

Kim:

The Kim Gravel Show is produced and edited by Zac Miller at Uncommon audio. Our associate producer is Kathleen Grant from the Brunette Exec. Production help from Emily Bredin and Sara Noto. Our cover art is designed by Sanaz Huber at Memarian Creative. Our show is edited by Mike Kligerman. Our guest intros are performed by Roxy Reese. Our guest booking is done by Central Talent booking, and I want to give a special thank you to the entire team at QVC, and thanks to you for making this community so strong. Listen, tell somebody about the show and leave us a five star review. And make sure you're following the Kim Gravel show on your podcast app so we can keep growing this love who you are message together. I can't do this without you.