BFFs Hormones and Mental Health with Grey's Anatomy Star Camilla Luddington

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Kim:

Our next guest. She's a huge tv star. How in the world did you get that phrase anatomy part?

Camilla:

You did not like me when we first met. Oh, my God.

Kim:

My best friend couldn't stand me either.

Camilla:

In the underwear, the hair covering your nipples. Like, you're over it.

Kim:

I'm post menopausal. Like, I'm dry as a bone. Honey, I've gotten dried up, and it's fabulous. There's real problems out there. A lot of times, we don't have real places to sit and get real information.

Camilla:

So many women are going through that. A shame on society. We should be talking about this step more every day. My anxiety was out of control.

Kim:

Have you ever had to make out with somebody you were uncomfortable with? Hey, y'all. Kim gravel here. And we're on location. Or at least I'm on location. Zac.

Zac:

I'm in the same old place, so here I am. Everybody, listen. Kim's somewhere beautiful. I'm somewhere in this, you know, brick situation.

Kim:

Yeah, well, that's really a green screen. So. I mean, really, like, go ahead and click your green screen off. Show us where you're really at.

Zac:

I'll just do this. All right. Now I'm just in a black void.

Kim:

Now you're in a black hole.

Zac:

Okay, now I'm in a black hole. Now I'm. Green screen.

Camilla:

Here we are.

Kim:

There you go. This is not the green screen. The ocean is there. But I.

Zac:

Can you. Can you turn the camera around? Can you show us the ocean?

Kim:

Let me see. Let me see if I can show you the ocean.

Kim:

There's Amy. Can you see the ocean?

Zac:

There's. No. It's just a white window. But of course, Amy's there.

Kim:

Of course. This is the brightest, sunniest, beautiful light. So I'm just saying it looks like.

Zac:

A very beautiful space.

Kim:

It's gorgeous. Much needed r and r. Well, I'm.

Zac:

Pretty jealous this came back. Like, this was, like, last. Super last minute, right? You were like, last week.

Kim:

This is the thing. This is the thing. This is what I want to talk about today, because we have a very special guest. Can't wait to introduce you to her. But I have just. My whole summer is just. Because I always work. Twenty four seven.

Kim:

I love to work. That is my hobby, y'all. Just telling you. But we had a huge event this past weekend called the age of possibility, where QVC packed up, brought. Brought all the production here, here, there in the ATL. And it was just. It was magical. I met, like, over 170 women who listened to the pod, who watched QVC.

Kim:

And it was just. We had a blast. And so we had a couple of days off, and I just impromptu said, you know, I told the boys, let's take a vacation. He's like, they're like, I don't want to go there. And I told Travis, I said, he's like, there's nothing to do. This is the thing. We don't. Travis and I, like, my boys and Travis and me do not vacation the same way.

Kim:

Do your fate. Is that your family?

Zac:

I mean, my kids aren't old enough to have their own, like, hard opinions about this. Like, my kids are seven and four, so, like, they'll do whatever we tell them to do.

Kim:

So Travis and the boys, they love to go on vacation and hit the streets, like New York, in and out. Like, listening to concerts, going to cabal games, trying to get autographs, going to card shops. That is not my idea vacation at all.

Zac:

Like, oh, this is what you said to me. I went camping last weekend, and Kim, so we're texting, and Kim just goes, that is not my idea of a fun weekend.

Kim:

It's not only not on idea of vacation, it's torture. It would actually be torture for me to do something like that so I can go and just sit in a place and do nothing. Like, not turn on anything, not just eat and stare at the water. So that's what. And so Amy's like, yeah, let's go.

Zac:

Wait, so it's just you and Amy?

Kim:

Yes.

Zac:

That's pretty awesome. I honestly wish I had, like, a best friend that I could just be like, hey, we're going. We're going to a beach somewhere. Let's go.

Kim:

I cannot explain to you how many people say to me, I wish I had a best friend like Amy. I can't tell you how many now. I don't know how many people say that to her. I wish I had a best friend like Kim.

Zac:

Should we tease our guest today? Kim, we have such an exciting. We have such an exciting guest that you were willing to record the podcast from your vacation, correct?

Kim:

Wouldn't miss this one.

Zac:

Yeah.

Kim:

Our next guest, she's a huge tv star. You know her because she plays doctor Joe Wilson on one of my favorite tv shows, crazy Anatomy. Oh, yeah. Heard your loins, people. She's a mom of two, and now she has the best podcast with her BFF, Jessica Capshaw, called. Call it what it is. Let's welcome Camilla Luddington. Camilla Luddington.

Camilla:

I love that. I need that everywhere I go. That little jingle.

Kim:

Is that not fabulous?

Zac:

It's yours. You could have it.

Kim:

We spare no expense here. Okay. We have got vocalist on point.

Camilla:

I love it. Like in choir for your podcast.

Kim:

Amazing. Okay. I love you. Can I just. Let me just fan girl for two or 3 seconds, because I know everybody asks you about Grey's Anatomy all the time. You're absolutely gorgeous. I'm looking at this. You said you got two kids at summer camp, so we got to keep it, you know, short and sweet.

Kim:

But, Carl, do you love. How in the world did you get that grace anatomy part? You've been on there twelve years, haven't you?

Camilla:

Oh, my God. I guess I have yet to be killed off, which is every week, like, I get the script and I'm like, she's gonna explode in an elevator this week. I just know it. It hasn't happened yet. I got the role, actually, because I met Shonda. Pilot season of, I want to say, 2012. She had a pilot called Gilded lilies that didn't go. It was almost like a little Bridgerton y, but I think based in Boston, and it was a period piece.

Camilla:

And I was up for the lead, and again with another girl. I went to a network test, which, if you guys don't know what that is, listening. It's where you have to basically audition in front of a bunch of people, a bunch of studio executives, and it's down to you and one other person. The girl got the job. The other girl got the job. She was fantastic. And then I was on true blood, and then true blood ended. And then Shonda brought me back in, having seen me for that pilot audition, which didn't end up going, and for the new intern class.

Camilla:

And so it was one of those things where I'm like, thank God I didn't get that job, because I wouldn't.

Kim:

Have gotten this one right. Everything works out right. Everything. We were just talking before you got on camilla that, you know, when one door closes, we think, you know, if we stay there in that space where it's just. It makes opportunity for another door to open, don't you think? That's what happened to you?

Camilla:

Yeah. And I.

Kim:

It's.

Camilla:

You got to keep it moving. Especially.

Kim:

Come on.

Camilla:

Especially with something like acting. There's so many nos. I mean, the amount of no's I've had, if I was, like, lingering on something, you have to start seeing it as, like, it's an opportunity to get in front of people. They know your name now. Gotta keep it moving now.

Kim:

You have two kids, right? What are the ages of your kids? I have two teenagers. So what are your ages of your kids?

Camilla:

Is that not. Are you sleeping? Because I feel like if you have two teenagers, maybe you're sleeping finally.

Kim:

Okay, let me just tell you, clearly you don't have teenagers.

Camilla:

I do not.

Kim:

Girge your loins, girl. So I'm telling you, the struggle is real with teens. Like, I'm sitting here because yours are younger, clearly.

Camilla:

Mine are three, almost four and seven. And I'm still getting my butt.

Kim:

Oh my God.

Zac:

That's exactly the same age as my kids.

Kim:

Really? I love it so much though, y'all. It's such. I would do. There's snuggle bugs still. I have two teenage boys. I never sit on a clean toilet seat. They smell, they burp, they fart. It's bad.

Kim:

It's bad.

Camilla:

But you still love them over here. That's exactly what I'm dealing with. I mean, it's the same. They're just in different size clothes, right, but.

Kim:

Yeah, but I will tell you right now, it's. Being a mother is fantastic most days, but I mean, being a mom. But you're a working mom. Your schedule is probably crazy and you and your best friend have decided to come together and do a pocket. I have a very best friend for over 23 years. So how long have you and your best friend been best friends?

Camilla:

So we have known each other since I started Gray. So twelve years ago. But he did not like me when we first met. Oh my God.

Kim:

My best friend couldn't send me either. Oh my God.

Camilla:

Oh, how Camilla.

Kim:

Total idiots. What in the world do they not love us for? Did you like her though? Oh my God. I'm in love with you. Did you like her?

Camilla:

I thought she was fine. But then when I realized she threw her like, whatever. I don't like you either, you know.

Kim:

Why didn't she like you? Camilla, we had an incident. You gotta tell it.

Camilla:

We call it Burgergate of 2012 and Jessica will tell us. This is what Jessica says. This happens.

Kim:

Cause she's on greys too, y'all. She's on Grey's anatomy too.

Camilla:

She plays Arizona Robbins. She had just had a baby and she came back to the show and she was not feeling cute, she wasn't feeling herself. She would taught say this. There was a lot of insecurities. Listen, we all have babies. I know how that feels. You go back your boot. You're lactating.

Camilla:

It's a whole. You're in the underwear to hear covering your nipples like you're over it. You're not feeling cute. And then I came along, and I was, like, 28, and I hadn't had. Anyway, I wasn't the vibe that she was thrilled with at that moment. And I snapped a picture of a burger truck that had come to the set and to post because Shonda had it come to set, and I thought it was such a nice gesture and was serving everybody. And I put it on Twitter. What I didn't know, which she was like, you did know, which I didn't know, is that in the corner, there's a slither of Jessica in the photo, and she was, like, double fisting a burger lettuce all over her.

Camilla:

And she was like, this sabotage, this girl. I'm like, not. And so she came into the set, and she was like, you posted this picture. And I was like, oh, I just.

Kim:

Wanted the burger truck.

Camilla:

I was just trying to be polite. But no, she thought it was a burger sabotage. And. And then I think, you know, we got over it. We were actually. We actually. How it happened is we have mutual friends, and we invited them all to dinner, and they all canceled on us. So we were on, like, a little date together.

Zac:

And that's so la. Can I just say, that's, like, such an LA experience, or everyone hates us.

Camilla:

I don't know. It's la or nobody else likes us.

Kim:

Who cares? Because you have each other. Was it instant kindred spirits? Because my best friend and I, she did not like me either. I did not care. I was all in. She was, you know, and I'm that person. So after that dinner, did you just. Did y'all know instantly or was it a slow burn?

Camilla:

You know what? At that dinner, I liked her instantly because she apologized, which is really hard to do. And she told me I was feeling really shitty and insecure, and I just had a baby. I was so sensitive about everything, and I'm really sorry. And I thought the fact that you can say that, I was like, I love you, because I, like, in a friendship, I need that honesty. Like, you know what? You're bugging me today. I'm not in the mood. I haven't slept. I haven't taken my soul off yet.

Camilla:

I'm over this. Like, I like that honesty.

Kim:

Well, is that why you all. Because I'm telling you, I'm always looking for new podcasts and call it what it is. First of all, the title is chef's kiss. Because I love. I tell it like it is too. Tell us about it. Because, you know, to me, I will say this in my business. And all of the correspondence I get, everybody says, I wish I had a best friend like Amy.

Kim:

Like, they're always asking me, I want a friend like that. I want a friend. Like, now you and your best friends are doing, are doing this podcast. What all do y'all talk about? Like, tell me all about it. I listen to it, but tell everybody who's watching about it.

Camilla:

Okay, so it came about because, well, first off, we've just navigated some crap over, you know, I mean, children. We've lent on each other through some really, really hard times, navigated some really hard things. And what I do like about our friendship is, and you know this, Kim, in our world, there can be a lot of yes people or just people that are like, you're so right. And she'll tell me, you're so wrong.

Kim:

It's transparency. It's honesty.

Camilla:

Yes. And I really appreciated that. And then we were trying to figure out a way for us to work together again, and she was like, I really want to do a podcast with you. I think we have really fun, like, chemistry. And I said, what is a way for us to do this but bring listeners in to feel like they're part of it and they're not listening to us talking all the time?

Kim:

They're friends, too. Yeah.

Camilla:

Yeah. And so we. We kind of, how we put it is we're opening up our friendship circle to other people where they can have a safe space to call in dm us. They can come live on our zoom and tell us what issues they're going through, and we all talk it out and call it what it is, figure it out, see if we can come up with a way to solve it or move forward and push through. And we've just received thousands of messages. And so, yeah, we're having a blast. It's such a nice. It's not just about us being able to connect together.

Camilla:

Every week we get to connect with this whole community of people now.

Kim:

So what are some of the things that people are reaching out to you guys about? Because, you know, mental health is so huge. I mean, you'd mentioned Zoloft earlier.

Camilla:

Love my Zoloft people. I love my Zoloft.

Kim:

That's what I'm saying. Like, look, I mean, there's. There's real problems out there. We face real issues, and a lot of times we don't have real places to sit and get real information, you know? So what are some of the things that you guys are talking about on the pod?

Camilla:

Well, what we have coming up, actually, this week that we're talking about, which is interesting, we haven't touched on yet, is competition within friendships, for example, and navigating when your friends end up being competitive with you and what that can look like and how to. Cause that's hard. We just last week, our podcast that came out, we talked about traveling with friendship with friends. And one girl we talked about, we had just been to Paris together, and we were getting into it in Paris. I was like, I don't want to walk anymore. It's been hours. And she's like, in her, you know, wedges, like, let's go for another hour. And so, like, your friends that you want, your friends that, like, you can travel with and that you can't, you just want to go to dinner with, but you don't want to spend five days with.

Camilla:

So one girl had written in saying, I went on a trip with my very best friends, and I've come home and I hate them all.

Kim:

That's normal.

Camilla:

And she's like, kim's living that right now. I just ice them out. And so we're like, no, don't do that. You've been friends for, like, 23 years or something crazy. But it's the gamut. It runs the gamut of, like, we have messages about parenting. We have messages about boyfriends, cheating. I mean, hopefully we're gonna get to cover everything.

Camilla:

Even I want. And we're trying to get her on the pod. I want some. Well, I want Teresa Caputo. Do you know who that is?

Kim:

Yeah. Hello.

Camilla:

Hello. I have people writing in about the other side. And so, I mean, we want to cover it all.

Kim:

Well, you had it. You recently had an episode of your new podcast, and you call it PM's. Call it PM's. And you open up about being diagnosed with PMDD. You know, our audience is mostly women. And listen, I have post. I'm post menopausal. Like, I'm dry as bone, honey.

Kim:

I've done dried up, and it's fabulous. So you've got a lot to look forward to.

Camilla:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kim:

It's amazing. Like, once you get over the harm, it's like when you start having kids. Yeah, your hormones are like this, you know, even through menopause, it's like this. But you're trying to make awareness, more awareness about these kind of issues, you know, because things do change after you have children and all the way to, you know, when you're in your fifties and sixties, your hormones. So tell me what happened with you.

Camilla:

What happened with me? Because on that subject, I want to say that I only recently. I mean, in the past six months, perimenopausal. And I. It's so wild to me that I'm 40. How do I not know that term? You know, like, it's so real and it's. So many women are going through that. I'm like, I'm learning about that now. I'm like, shame.

Camilla:

Shame on society. We should be talking about this step more. I knew I had PMDD after the birth of my son. He's my son.

Kim:

So what is that?

Camilla:

So it's premenstrual dysphoric disorder.

Kim:

Okay.

Camilla:

I call it premenstrual deep depression because that's what it feels like. It feels like every single month. I'm not just, you know, PM's moody. I can. It's a very strange sensation myself. Dip. And it took a while for me to figure it out because I gave birth in 2020, which was a wild year.

Kim:

Right, right.

Camilla:

Of course. I'm feeling all these things. I can't go outside with my new. It's very hard. Then suddenly I realized there was a pattern to it. And then I went to my ob, and she diagnosed me. And then I saw a psychiatrist that also diagnosed me, and I got on Zoloft. And definitely it doesn't take it away completely, but it helps.

Camilla:

And also after kids, I have to say, I had a so much anxiety anyway. Had no anxiety before children. A ton of anxiety once I had kids, and so it also helped with that.

Kim:

Well, it's such a big life adjustment. Anyway. Was it hard for you to go and see the doctors, the psychiatrist? I mean, was it hard for you? Or were you just at a disparate place where you're like, I've got to get help.

Camilla:

You know, I didn't want to do it. My therapist was telling me, I think maybe you should consider going on antidepressants. And I was like, are you talking to me like me? No, I'm not there. No, thank you. And then I went on vacation to Maui, and it was my first time going on vacation to Maui, and I was with my kids, and I destroyed that vacation for myself every day. My anxiety was out of control. And I was so angry because I remember sitting there, my kids were loving it, my husband was having a great time, and I was looking at the palm trees I'd never been before and was like, this is such a treat. I mean, Maui.

Camilla:

Like, I'm in Maui. I grew up just camping all the time, which is great, but, like, I was here in Maui.

Kim:

But Maui, right?

Camilla:

I was like, I can't believe I ruined this myself. And I just. I was sick of myself. I was like, I'm done with you. You're over it. Like, get. And so the day I got home, I wrote my therapist. I said, I just ruined an entire vacation for myself.

Camilla:

Not going to do that again. So I need to see somebody.

Kim:

This is why I love your podcast. First of all, it's BFF's. I love that. Second of all, you're talking about real issues. I mean, you're famous. I mean, you're on tv every week. I know y'all just got renewed for another season. Do you ever feel like you are on display or that, you know, I love.

Kim:

Let me. Let me just explain what I'm talking about. Like, I love how you have your podcast and you're being like, you're not a character. You're your real self talking about the real problems. Because most people think they would watch you every week and say, oh, she's got a perfect life. You know, she's got it together.

Camilla:

And I actually. I think that made it harder for me because I would often like, what's wrong? It took me so long to get to the place I am now. You know, I did not grow up with money. I slugged it as a waitress forever. And so once you have it all right, it's almost right. Have it all right. It's almost more confusing and depressing, to be honest, to be like, what is wrong? There's not something to even worry about.

Kim:

It didn't fill the void.

Camilla:

It's not that it didn't feel the void. It was just that my brain wasn't working the way it needed to work.

Kim:

Right. Got it.

Camilla:

It's like. It's. It's. It's chemical. And so, yeah, I realize it's that. And it's not really. It was not really environmental for me. That was.

Camilla:

I had to let go of my own crap and be like, you need to get on something. You're ruining this for yourself, you know?

Kim:

Have you. Have you heard a lot of people reached out to you on the podcast that say, oh, my gosh, I can relate to this. I'm here because we get a lot of that. Like, you know, you think you're out there on your own, and I just tell people all the time, there's no shame in getting help and talking to somebody. But I get all the time from people with our podcast. They're like, Kim, you had this person on. Help me. Are you getting that, too?

Camilla:

I am getting it, especially since I came out because I do think a lot of people talk about, like, I'm in therapy and, you know, that's very common to hear. When I went on Zoloft, I remember before I even took the pill, I had googled celebrities just to know, like.

Kim:

Who else has been?

Camilla:

Because I needed, I needed comfort to know, like, oh, that person is on Zoloft and they're not walking.

Kim:

You are not alone. You were not alone.

Camilla:

The list wasn't that long, right? Like, it was not a lot of people that had come out to talk about it. So I was like, I gotta talk about it because I want to add my name to the list because maybe someone will see me on the list and relate to me, too. And so since I came out talking about Zoloft, I've had so many people say, oh, my God, I love that you're talking about being on an antidepressant publicly and I'm on Lexapro, I'm on this and it's helped so much and I've had to put my kid on this and I felt guilty and now I don't. It's so helpful. So that, that has been a really, I had a really nice response to that.

Kim:

Well, I know on your pod you said you were so embarrassed about walking into the cv's and walking and, you know, because you didn't want to get recognized, but you were recognized, right? Like, they recognized, so they're like, oh, my gosh, she a famous person is. Yeah, yeah.

Camilla:

It was hard. I was still embarrassed. And then I was asked to go on. Selena Gomez's has a mental health podcast. I really love wondering and I love that podcast. And I thought if I'm going to agree to go on this and talk about mental health, like, let's just mention it all. Like, let's just throw it all out there. And so I decided I don't need to be like, why am I.

Camilla:

I was angry. Like, why am I embarrassed about this? Like, it's so. It sucks.

Kim:

Have you had any backlash, Camilla, about any of this? Or is it just been like, no.

Camilla:

I'm sure that there are comments somewhere that are like your maybe.

Kim:

Yeah, but see, you know, Camilla, I think there's such. For such a time as this, do you know? I'm saying, I think. I think your podcast is at the right time. I think this message that you. Not a message. Let me say this. I think your bravery and your courage to be where you're at and call it like it is.

Camilla:

Yeah.

Kim:

Is for now.

Camilla:

I hope so. I think that. Yes, and I do. I think that we're getting there. Yeah, I haven't, I honestly haven't seen any comments that are, that are bad, but I'm also. I've gotten really good at not doing a deep dive in comments.

Kim:

Don't do that. You know that. You already know that.

Camilla:

Digging for the bad ones, right? So it's like, I'll go through the first few and, like, it's been very supportive. I'm sure there really doesn't matter if they, if it is out there. This is my experience I'm sharing, you know?

Kim:

All right, we got more with Camilla right after this quick break. And we're going to be talking about what it's like being a star on social media in 2024. We'll be right back.

Kim:

Call it like it is. Okay. You have millions of followers, Camilla, on your Instagram and TikTok. Do you feel the pressure? All right, let me just explain myself. Social media is the bane of my existence.

Camilla:

Yeah, I hear you.

Kim:

Do you really? Because how old are you? You said you're 40, right?

Camilla:

I'm 40, yes.

Kim:

I got twelve years on you. I'm 52. I know. I don't look at you can feel free to say that if you'd like. So I could quote you on social media that you think I look young.

Camilla:

But anyway, we're both in our forties.

Kim:

Got it. Well, I'm 39. I don't know about you, but anyway, so, you know, is there pressure for you?

Camilla:

Social media is just.

Kim:

It's almost taking the place of, like, traditional tune in tv.

Camilla:

It's really hard. Here's. Here's how I feel about it. I read, dread it for my children. If I was not in this industry, I would not care about it. I'd have my little Facebook with my family, and I would not be probably on anything. For me, it feels for me. I use it to do comedy.

Camilla:

It's the truth because I love comedy. And after Grey's Anatomy, or even at some point in my hiatus, I would love to do a comedy. And it's almost like my own SNL page is how I feel about it. Have fun with it. Um, and I don't take myself too seriously on there. And I post without makeup when I'm looking crazy. Um, and I don't use it for self esteem. And I.

Camilla:

But I don't. Because, by the way, I would never get self esteem from it. You know what I mean? Like, you're always gonna find she's gained ten pounds and I'm like, great. Um, so. And I. Do. I have to say, I didn't grow. You know, I didn't really grow up with Instagram.

Camilla:

It was becoming a thing as I was coming into the industry. Twitter was becoming a thing as I was starting the industry. So I don't know what that. I understand that the girls and boys are and whoever getting self esteem from that in their 20 as teenagers. So I understand that that's a different situation. That's why I don't like social media. But I've managed to not feel that way about it.

Kim:

I agree with you. I think our kids are going to have to really learn to navigate the world in a very different way. But if we work it to our advantage and really, like you said, don't pull your self esteem from it. I always tell my kids, think of that as a business. It's not connection, it's not friendships. It's half of. It's not even true. So think of it as just a business to promote your product, your brand, or, like I said, to be funny.

Kim:

Okay.

Camilla:

At the end of the day, I think of social media as a business and not who you like. Do you approve of me, Camilla Luddington? Because I'll never. I'll never win that. I don't need to win. There is the truth.

Kim:

I completely agree with you a thousand percent. Okay, so how is it being on grazing at it? Because, girl, that's a big honking show. Okay. Like, that is. You've hit the mother lode. It's amazing show comedy. You have a hit show and comedy next. But like, you often say that you're afraid you're gonna get killed off.

Kim:

Could that really happen?

Camilla:

That really does happen. And it's. And by the way, it's not. It's not a. It's not because you've been like a terrible person or anything.

Kim:

No.

Camilla:

It's part of the story. After twelve season. I mean. No, we're in season 21 coming up. I mean, sometimes it's a good storyline to explode someone in an elevator. And it's nothing to do with who you are as a person. You can't take it personally. But I feel so lucky to be on the show because so many shows have come and gone.

Camilla:

And I remember getting on it in season nine and thinking there's probably going to be two more seasons left. So just sit in this and just really enjoy this moment. And it's like it just keeps growing. It hits streaming and generations are watching it with other generations and it's just, it's its own beast. I love it.

Kim:

Well, have you ever had to make out with somebody you were uncomfortable with?

Camilla:

Sure. I mean, that's part of the job and I'm sure that.

Kim:

Do you mind saying who? I mean, are we spilling that tea or. You're gonna save that for your podcast? You're gonna save that?

Camilla:

I don't know. I'll save that for my book when I'm like 80.

Zac:

There you go.

Kim:

Well, I ain't too far from there, so. Honey, hang on, you'll get there. Okay, listen, but yeah, I mean, by the book, y'all, y'all gotta go check out the podcast now before I, before you have to go, because I know you're so, so busy. You gotta go pick up those kids from summer camp and don't summer camp, doesn't summer camp just save your life? It does for summer camp.

Camilla:

I love summer camp, but I need it to go from like 08:00 a.m. to midnight.

Kim:

Amen, honey.

Camilla:

I need, I need it to go way more hours than it's available for at this point.

Kim:

And wouldn't you just pay $465,000 if it did? I would just, I would just second mortgage my home.

Camilla:

I would sell the house and I would camp outside the camp.

Zac:

This is why sleepaway camp, this is why sleepaway camp is so amazing.

Kim:

You can't sleep away. Cramp scares me these days. I'm a crazy anxiety crazy person too.

Camilla:

And, you know, no one also, like, they have to, I feel like they have to be a certain personality and definitely a certain age. And I don't know, kids are that like sleep awake because by the way, I hear that, like when you do sleep where you can't, they're not a lot of cell phone you, so you can't contact that, you know, I need them wearing like a gopro sweat. Right. And, and as I track.

Kim:

But yeah, Camilla, I track my kids and stalk my kids. I could go into the CIA as well as I know how to track it. And not only do I just track them on life 360, I'm tracking everybody in the family. Ain't nobody getting by passed on me. Are you gonna be that kind of mom? Are you that mom?

Camilla:

Oh, yeah, they already have the apple tags. They've got like eight on them at all times. Every limb has an apple tag.

Kim:

All right, I gotta do this.

Camilla:

And leg is doing. Don't. I mean, like, that's where I'm at.

Kim:

That's it. You know what? The hand, leg, head. Okay, so before you go, Camilla, I do this thing with everybody. I do rapid fire, and I'm so excited to do rapid fire with you because I feel like there will be some tea spilled. There will be some truth told.

Camilla:

Oh, okay.

Kim:

So just answer what comes out. What comes up, comes out. I mean, no hesitation, rapid fire questions. You're british. Where the heck did your british accent go? Where is it?

Camilla:

It is gone. Because I have played a character for twelve years, for nine months of the year. I'm an american accent. And so that has its.

Kim:

So give me a little british.

Camilla:

British. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the Kim gravel show, season four.

Kim:

Oh, full. Hey, listen, girl, you got to get on Bridgerton. How you please?

Camilla:

Are you kidding? I saw Shonda and I said, put me in a cost of corset. I'm ready.

Kim:

Listen. And listen, Camilla. And tell Shonda if she needs a southern.

Camilla:

Yes.

Kim:

Somebody that's come over from the states that these. I don't even know if. Call me.

Camilla:

Yes.

Kim:

Okay.

Camilla:

Yes.

Kim:

Just mix it. I'll be that southern, loud, american, risque person all day.

Camilla:

Okay. Yeah.

Kim:

Go tell her to call me. What job would you absolutely be horrible at?

Camilla:

Oh. Oh, a job. I. Oh, retail. I did it for one day, and I quit after, like, 6 hours. I hate folding clothes.

Kim:

Yeah, retail's tough. Retail is tough. Got to deal with the pup. It's tough dealing with people. If you could have one superpower, what would it be?

Camilla:

Teleportation. So that if my kids went to summer camp, I could just.

Kim:

If I don't have to deal with.

Camilla:

Traffic in Los Angeles. Done.

Kim:

No. Done. What is the last text message you sent? Read it to us.

Camilla:

Okay. The last text message I sent was. Hang on, hang on. Oh, I like this.

Kim:

Do it, do it.

Camilla:

Oh. I said to my friend Sam, he was my fave because I just meth Nick vile, who does fantastic podcast, and I talked all about reality tv, and she loved him on the Bachelor, and I said he was my favorite when he was on the bachelor. That's my real text.

Kim:

He's a little cutie patootie. Okay. What is one thing about men that baffles you?

Camilla:

How they freak out what they just said in an argument. Like they've just said something, and then I'll respond to it and they'll say, this is just Matt isn't it? So this is my husband, and he'll be like, I didn't say that. It drives me crazy.

Kim:

Yeah, you know what? Attention to detail, girl. I could go on for that question for days.

Camilla:

Like, selective amnesia, joint arguments. That's what I don't like.

Kim:

They don't listen. Men don't listen. Okay, here we go.

Zac:

I totally. I totally do that.

Kim:

By the way, Zac, no comment from you. No comment from you. You love reality tv. So what's your favorite reality tv show?

Camilla:

Probably the Real Housewives of New Jersey.

Kim:

Oh, my God.

Camilla:

I've been watching it since day one. What is.

Kim:

Can I just. Can we just take a little side road here?

Camilla:

Yeah, yeah, let's sidebar their family.

Kim:

Their family. Teresa, Melissa.

Camilla:

I know. And by the way, I'm. People are not. I'm team Theresa, by the way. All the way. I really. Yes. People are very much team Melissa.

Kim:

Why are you team Theresa? Just curious. No judgment. Just curious.

Camilla:

I'm team Teresa because I think that they make. I think they make big deals out of things that are not that big a deal. And I see her trying to make things better, and I think that they lean into, like, did you. I don't know if you watched the most recent episode. She gave them a bottle of whiskey or. Did you see this?

Kim:

I did.

Camilla:

They made a, you know, they. Joe Gorga, who is so annoying, like, throws the message she sent him in the fire and does this whole. Do you think she respects my dad? Are you kidding? She took her dad in for so long. Sit down, Joey Gorga. That's how I feel.

Kim:

Okay. Okay. I love New York. I mean, I love New Jersey, too, but I have to, you know, I'm from the ATL, so my ATL girls are getting some blood.

Camilla:

Yeah. I tell you, take on anymore. But I have seen. I have seen it on. My husband would be like, please, God, not another city. I can't take on anymore.

Kim:

I love you. That's hilarious. I can't take anymore. I can't take on any more real housewives. That's a commercial. Yeah. Oh, I love the drama. Okay, next time you open a fortune cookie, what do you hope your fortune will read?

Camilla:

Good health. That's the thing I stress about the book. Good health. Always, always for me and my children, my husband, my whole family, everybody.

Kim:

Oh, I'm wishing that, too. Do you have an on set ritual that you do to get into character on grace?

Camilla:

Not that I do to get into character, but every single morning I walk into the makeup trailer and I've never said this before. I walk into the makeup trailer and I go, hello, and everyone. And if I forget that, our glam team will be like, where's your hello? And it's been this thing that I've done for twelve years.

Kim:

I love it.

Camilla:

Yes. That's my morning little like, hi.

Kim:

Now you've said it. Now I'm going to start doing that because, you know, it's one of those things when you hear once you've got a hell. Wow. You got to repeat. Okay, what movie do you need to sit down and watch if it comes on tv, even through commercial breaks?

Camilla:

Oh, bridesmaids girl. It's too funny.

Kim:

Hilarious.

Camilla:

It's too funny every day. I know, I know everyone loves it, but it's just so good.

Kim:

Can you do an ad lib sentence of full medical jargon that would trick me into thinking you're a real doctor? Go.

Camilla:

Okay, here we go. Dropping. We need a crash card in here. Push ten of that beat.

Kim:

What does that mean?

Camilla:

That means that her. Someone's blood pressure is dropping. They need a crash cart. So they need that. And they need. They need adrenaline, I think. Epi, what is that? It's not. I don't know what it is.

Camilla:

They need some kind of shots, the arm of. To wake them up.

Kim:

So you're saying all this stuff, but do you know what it actually means? Are you just reading? You're just memorizing the script?

Camilla:

We have a cheat sheet that tells us what we're saying. And we also have surgeons, real surgeons who are medical producers and they are on set and they will be like, this is what's happening to the body and this is what you're doing. So we do know.

Kim:

Oh, my gosh.

Camilla:

Yeah, yeah.

Kim:

You know what? That's. That's probably. Can I tell you something? That's probably the realness of it with the amazing writing, the amazing acting, but the real, that probably is one of the reasons why it's had such longevity.

Camilla:

I think so, yeah. Our medical producer, Linda Klein, she's incredible and she's. She's tough enough. She'll be like, you don't look like a doctor. And she'll come in and she'll be like, hold that like this. Do this, like this. You would never do this as a doctor. And so we'll get, like if we.

Camilla:

If we're not doing it right. Because, by the way, there's doctors that watch the show and we don't want them looking and being like, that doesn't look real at all. Like we want to make it look authentic as possible.

Kim:

Hello. Yes, we do. Okay, here we go. What is your favorite on screen, sexy scene that you've been in?

Camilla:

Oh, you know what I love? I just. It's not super sexy, but it's sexy because it was romantic. Link on our show just told confessed his love to Joe last season in our finale, and we were in the rain. It was almost like the notebook that we're in the rain, pouring. We were arguing, and then he's like, I love you. I've loved you for so long. And then she says, I love you back. And they came together and kissed, and it was so romantic, and the romance felt.

Camilla:

The rain felt sexy, and it felt delicious. And I just. I love him, and it was. I love those two characters together. So that felt very sexy to me.

Kim:

When you kiss, do you kiss with tongue?

Camilla:

Oh, my God. I think sometimes.

Kim:

Okay, just checking. I'm just checking. Checking the realness.

Camilla:

I mean, if you're just like, no, by the way, you don't want to make it gross, but, like, you know, you want it to look like a natural kiss and sometimes, like, maybe a little tongue, but I mean.

Kim:

Okay, got it.

Camilla:

You want to be gross about it, though. You want to keep it respectful always for the other person.

Kim:

Got it.

Zac:

Can I ask a question? Actually, I'm really curious. Just for, like, a kissing scene now, in a show like Grey's, like, do you have an intimacy coordinator on set for that kind of thing?

Camilla:

We absolutely do. And one of the things that they ask us is they make sure are you comfortable kissing with tongue or no tongue. So those conversations happen. They happen behind the scenes so that everyone really great about everything.

Kim:

Well, I think I love. I might get that intimacy coordinator's number for Travis and I, so just stay on after the show, okay. Okay. What is your favorite junk junk food? Sweet and salty. I mean. Okay, Camilla, don't give me some little granola kale with the sea salad. I want real junk food.

Camilla:

My favorite salty dish, salty thing are Doritos. It's really bad. I can eat the entire nacho cheese. I have a new barbecue flavor. That's incredible. Yes. And swedish fish.

Kim:

All right, celebrity crush.

Camilla:

Oh, Ryan Gosling. Are you kidding? After the Oscars performance.

Kim:

Adorable.

Camilla:

Okay.

Kim:

What is your hopes and dreams for? Call it what it is. Podcast. What do you hope?

Camilla:

You know, I really hope that people listening feel like their problems are shared, like a problem. I don't even remember those saying, we're.

Kim:

All in it together. Yeah.

Camilla:

Yes, yes, yes. Exactly. Right. They feel less lonely with their own problems. And hear that we all are dealing with stuff, you know?

Kim:

Oh. All right, y'all. You can find Camilla Luddington on Instagram and TikTok at camillaluddington and go binge watch Grey's Anatomy on Netflix and watch the new episodes on ABC, because it has just been renewed for season 21. Congratulations, girl. All that you're doing is incredible.

Camilla:

Come help me on my show. Answering problems.

Kim:

Are you kid, if you don't call me. Okay. Hello. Yes.

Camilla:

Thank you guys so much. This was so much fun. Thank you so much for having me.

Kim:

I love you, Camilla. Go get the kids. Fix that remote and call me, girl. We'll be there.

Camilla:

Okay. Thank you so much. Bye bye.

Kim:

Okay. Do you think, Zac, that I really could get a part on grays? And if I could, what would it be?

Zac:

I think you could.

Kim:

I got it. I could be patient number three that has been hit over the head by a plunger from her children.

Zac:

I was thinking more along the lines of, maybe you're not from the south, but you have a medical condition where you start talking with a southern accent and they need to fix you.

Kim:

Or maybe I'm getting a plastic surgery procedure that has gone bad, or I'm going to get a butt lift and I had a reaction to the anesthesia.

Zac:

Kim, they just. They wrap you up it, like, your whole face, like, fully wrapped up.

Kim:

That would be my luck. You'd never see me. Just be my lips going, oh, you're.

Zac:

Just like a special guest star, Kim Gruffal.

Kim:

And you're like, or I could be this southern doctor that comes in and goes, hey, y'all, give me that. I was going to say spatula. No, I don't think I pass this. I'm done. All right, y'all, thanks for watching. Make sure you tell everybody about the Kim gravel show and comment and, like. And get on there and sign up for the newsletter. You never know what you're gonna get on the Kim gravel show.

Kim:

Could be Zac going a little nutty, or me, you know, being inappropriate. Who knows? We're here to make you feel uplifted and to help you love who you are. So make sure you do that. We love you so much.

Zac:

Have I ever gotten nutty, Kim?

Kim:

Oh, okay, I'm hanging up.

Zac:

Bye, y'all.

Kim:

Bye, y'all. Cuz, we have to get. Oh, did we lose her?

Zac:

She's frozen. She's frozen.

Kim:

She's frozen. I think she's gonna unfreeze. She's unfreeze.

Zac:

She's gonna freeze.

Kim:

She was getting ready to say something good. I look at her and tell.

Camilla:

Yeah, hang on 1 second. Peter, go to house. Daddy, look.

Kim:

I love you so much.

Camilla:

I have a kid in here. Here handed me a remote. I don't even hear in a bathing suit. Anyway.

Kim:

Let me end it with this. Hello? I can come up with something good. Just hit it.

Kim:

The Kim Gravel Show is produced and edited by Zac Miller at Uncommon audio. Our associate producer is Kathleen Grant from the Brunette Exec. Production help from Emily Bredin and Sara Noto. Our cover art is designed by Sanaz Huber at Memarian Creative. Our show is edited by Mike Kligerman. Our guest intros are performed by Roxy Reese. Our guest booking is done by Central Talent booking, and I want to give a special thank you to the entire team at QVC, and thanks to you for making this community so strong. Listen, tell somebody about the show and leave us a five star review. And make sure you're following The Kim Gravel Show on your podcast app so we can keep growing this love who you are message together. I can't do this without you.