Balancing Big Ideas and Family with Tracy Holland

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Kim Gravel: Come on baby bagels with you and me, but don't forget about your cream cheese.

Hey y'all, and welcome to LOL with Kim Gravel. This is a comedy podcast for women where we laugh about the messiness of life and we turn that mess into our message of confidence and of hope. See, my mission is to encourage and lift women up. We're here to lift y'all up, y'all. And this show is how we can, can do that while embracing our real selves, our true authentic selves, and laugh about the stuff that life throws our way along the way.

So let's do it today. We're gonna live out loud, laugh out loud, and we're gonna love out loud. We're gonna do it together, y'all.

All right, y'all. One of my favorite people on the planet, a brand new friend that I feel like I've known forever. Tracy Holland is here. She's the real deal holy Field, a true powerhouse, a serial entrepreneur. She has built huge businesses in both the beauty and the wellness industries, and now her mission is to inspire and empower the next generation of women and entrepreneurs.

Um, in community, not only with her podcast, but in business. She truly is a powerhouse of a woman, and she's done all of that y'all, by raising three children. I've met her kids, they are well raised. Welcome to the podcast Tracy Holland. I love you so much to the moon and back, my love.

Do it again. Do it again so she can hear it. I got cold chills.

Zac Miller: There you go.

Tracy Holland: Zac, I have to have a copy of that's so sweet. My parents would love to hear that.

Zac Miller: Oh yeah. Anytime you enter a room, you should just have it like, like a boom box or something.

Kim Gravel: Yeah. I want it as my ringtone. So when Tracy calls. Now, that's how you do

Tracy Holland: it. Oh God, you guys, that was a beautiful surprise.

Thank you, Zac. That was incredible.

Kim Gravel: First of all, I was telling Zac earlier, how have you ever met people when you've, you've never met him before, and you meet him in like 15 minutes and you go, ah, I've known, I mean, like this, this is right. This is meant to be this friendship. That's how I felt when I met you.

Tracy Holland: That's exactly how I felt when I met you, which is why Isaid let's get together and go hang out in person. Yes. How fast can we meet.

Kim Gravel: You were out here like I think in two weeks,

Tracy Holland: you know when you meet the guy and they're the sparks and it's like, is this meant to be all these things? And you, you call your girlfriend and you say, I think I met this guy and let me tell you about him.

But that was how it was with you.

Kim Gravel: I've met other people who are like pro-woman or, but you truly are like, What, what started you out in, cuz you call yourself a serial entrepreneur. I can call you that cuz you truly are, you've got more irons in the fire than I have skin tags on my body. You have got so much going on

Zac Miller: Those a beautiful picture you painted there, Kim. I'm just saying.

Kim Gravel: Okay. I'm keeping it a hundred with Tracy. I've always wanted to know, I've been, since I've known you, I've wanted to ask you this question. I read an article somewhere where you said never negotiate against yourself. I think that is such a brilliant statement.

Tracy Holland: Well, it's so funny because we just, I was just having this conversation with my partner Earl this morning, which is, as people, when we start laying out all the reasons why something's not gonna work, we start arguing for our limitations.

Kim Gravel: Come on now and Right.

Tracy Holland: Yeah, no more arguing for my limitations. And if I start giving you all the reasons why something's not gonna work, please step in and say, I'm not gonna listen to you.

Argue for your own limitations. Not happening here. Geez. Sorry. Come back to me when you're ready to talk about all the ways that it could potentially work. And I think that with women we are all faced with, like it's biologically almost impossible to think. How between 28 and 35, you're supposed to be finding the love of your life, having and bearing children, and in the highest peak part of your earning career where your life is supposed to send you in a trajectory where year over year, you're supposed to be doubling and tripling your income potentially for the next thing you're gonna go do, and you're trying to make a human. how does that work? Like I don't, you know, I''ve created three brains, three brains, three hearts, three sets of lungs. Like when I think about caring and, and creating a child, imagine like building a business, making a human, like that's serious business

Kim Gravel: and doing it all simultaneously at the same time, right?

That, that, that's the power of a woman. That is why women truly are powerhouses because we. We can do it. I mean, we have been equipped to do it. Now, let me ask you this, Tracy, because there's a lot of women, we j I just had a young woman ask me this today. No lie today, she's a mom of three young children and she says in her heart, she has this dream.

She said she, her exact words were, I know God has called me to more, but how do I have this dream and raise this family all at the same time? I. and I said, well, what is your dream? She goes, I don't even know what it is. I just know there's something more. Speak to that because I know I've experienced that and I know you have, we've talked about it.

What do you say to someone who says that? How do they hang on to the dream and pursue that and raise that family? How can you pursue your dreams and balance family and work?

Tracy Holland: Oh man, it's, this is, this is really the thing that I spend the most amount of time with entrepreneurial women who are also have a desire to have children and raise a family. and, and this is counterintuitive because I think there are a lot of men who are entrepreneurs who would say, you know, go out and raise capital and then build your business.

I've never done it that way. I've only ever held a day job and then spent as much time as it took on nights, and weekends trying to imagine, and then formulate, and then make phone calls and allow the percolation of the new big idea to come about over time without the pressure of how to provide for a family.

Put three meals on the table a day. Get to work, come home, do home. , right? I mean, mom does 80% of what's happening in the home, even if there's a second parent there normally. With keeping all the trains running on time. So I think as women, one thing I would encourage is to not put so much pressure on yourself to think it's either or, and it doesn't have to happen this hot minute, right?

Life balance can take place over time. Be patient with yourself in the. And allow it to unfold, but continue to keep the flames warm, keep your journal, keep writing about it, keep talking to people about it, and I really believe that alignment and good grace, perfect timing. Perfect. People show up exactly when they're supposed to.

Kim Gravel: Absolutely. Absolutely. God. Right. How, how do you, but how do, like for me, I mean, I can only speak from personal experience and we've had these conversations, but it's so hard to balance balance family and work, especially like when you're in that growth mode or that blessing mode where you're harvesting all of those seeds that have been planted before.

How do you do that without losing your family or your soul, Tracy? You know, like we're so taught as. , it's an either or, you know, thing for us, you know, and I find that to be an untruth. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm just saying can it be an and situation, not an either or.

Tracy Holland: Well, it's funny because I don't know about you, but I think I'm a much different parent than the, the parenting experience I had as a child.

Some of what I've learned and what I've implemented has, has, my pendulum, has been on a significantly other swing than the, than the swing my parents and I had as an experience, and I would say I will never feel like I'm the great greatest mom ever because it's actually somewhat of a thankless job.

Right. It totally is. It's completely, it's. and, and there's, there's this also now understanding with three children, and I have a 12 year old, 13 year old and a 16 year old, is that these folks, these little people who grew up into big people come out of the chute with a pretty well baked personality and perspective, right?

I mean, they're, these are three kids who are all from the same parents, and I couldn't have three more different people, more different at the. Right. So there's something to be said about, uh, releasing or surrendering this idea of perfection around being the best mom you can be. Because I don't know, other than being steady in your love, steady in your presence, steady in your attention to your children, and being present in the times in which they come and say, Hey, I need some help.

I need this. I need. But how much impact do we really have on, on the kind of people they become? Ultimately? I'm not sure. I'm not sure that I could say wholeheartedly. I believe that we have that much power and influence over our children. I think that they are going to make their own mistakes. They're gonna make their own choices, and our job is to be steadily available which then takes the pressure off this perfectionism.

Kim Gravel: Yes. Yes.

Tracy Holland: Right. And it gives us more bandwidth and freedom to make sure that we're truly living our fullest expression of ourselves to follow our dreams. And if that means having a side hustle, if that, , you know, collaborating with a friend and doing something at the family fair or whatever, the church fair or whatever it may be, as your first step in the business exploration of what you wanna create and do.

There's just a little bit more, I think, of a perspective, and I have so many examples of women in my life who say, Hey, I'm gonna throw up an Amazon store and see if my crocheted, you know, pillow cases are gonna sell, or an Etsy store or this, or, And then, you know, at the end of their second, third year, they're like, look, I made 25, 30, $40,000 over the lifespan of this last two or three years, and I have proof of concept.

Now I have the confidence to go do this in a bigger way. . Right? And so I think there's just less of a complicated way of thinking about being in business, being a great mom, being a homemaker, or being in the home and supporting the family. It, it can look different for everyone. There's no right way.

Kim Gravel: You're so steady and peaceful and zen. And that's what I love being in your presence, even listening to you talk, don't you Zac? You just feel like you just go, oh yeah, that's good.

Zac Miller: I mean, and I feel especially Zen cuz I'm here in my zen garden.

Kim Gravel: That's right. So you're zen in times two.

Zac Miller: It's double. It's like I got Tracy Zens and I got, yeah.

Kim Gravel: But I was just sitting here listening to you, Tracy and I just, So many women say, where do I start? I've got a dream. How do you follow your dreams? I don't know what to, but I loved how you said it. It doesn't start sometimes with a big idea. Sometimes it just starts with the first little step. There's so many entrepreneurs out there, and they're different levels.

I mean, there's billionaires and then there's people who make 60, $70,000. You're doing what they love to do, creating their own products or their own businesses right out of their home, and all of that is valuable. Every single level is valuable, right? Totally. Totally. That's what I always say, just move.

If you don't know what to do, just take a step. If you don't know, just take that first step. Just get going and it will unfold. That's what leads me to this. This is what I love about your approach. I don't think I've ever told you this. Your approach to business is very spiritual. it, it's from a very different, I don't even know if you've ever thought about this for yourself, but you come at it from a different perspective, a different planet almost.

You, uh, you use the words like unfold. You use the words like, it's just, you know, almost like it's serendipity. It just happens. You use all these wonderful, soulful, spiritual words when it comes to business, and I happen to think that business is soul. It is. Mm-hmm. , it's not just a spreadsheet, it's not just a product.

There has to be some emotional connection to it. Can you speak to that? Cuz I think women are brilliant at that. I think women are and even more so than men. We just have this way of, of, doing business in this soulful, spiritual way that I think is not being talked about. I mean, that narrative is not being shared until I really talked to you about it and that's where I thought, you know what?

She's onto something here.

Tracy Holland: Yeah. , you know, I, again, from my own experience, it was hitting rock bottom. Having come from a place, a fear of lack of, of emptiness in a, in a marriage. You know, from the outside feeling everybody's saying, oh, how successful you are and how many awards you've won, and how much you've. success in these various areas, and this was probably six years ago when I would say to myself, now, who can I tell that I actually am waking up really empty inside and wow, everything I'm doing is coming from a place of lack and worry and fear, and there. . The sense that I always say of, and every, everyone listening understands this is if you have a size 10 foot and you try to squeeze it into a size eight shoe, wow, you can wear that shoe for a couple hours, but boy are you, every step you take, it's is literally excruciating.

And so I think there came a point for myself where I thought, you know, actually I misunderstood what success. Yes. My misunderstanding was, mm, amount of revenue equals success. Revenue and income equals options, freedom. And that will bring me joy. And then joy will be when I can have time with my children and feel at ease and in peace.

And what I've realized is that hierarchy and those, that that path is actually misrepresented and, and completely. , because I had the success, I had the income, I had the infrastructure, which should've brought the freedom, which would've allowed me to have joy, which would've land, allowed me to be in a place of enjoying and feeling peace of mind and ease.

And actually it was the antithesis, the complete inverse. I would walk around waiting for the next shoe to drop. I would wake up in the middle of the night in a cold. Yes, I would be irritable with my kids. I would dread coming home. I would sit in the car in my driveway and think, Ugh, I have to go inside now.

I have to face this and that. And so I literally had to come to the, when I say drop to the bottom, for me the bottom was how do I like when you're starting to envision or imagine. Getting sick or in an accident so that you can't go to work, then you know you have a problem. Right? And so when you start thinking, gosh, how do I get out of this?

If I got diarrhea and covid and had an accident, which I broke a few ribs, like I'm definitely out of the way.

Kim Gravel: That's a three. That's a three day hospital say for you. Minimal.

Zac Miller: That's a trifecta. That's a trifecta. Yeah. .

Kim Gravel: Oh my gosh.

Tracy Holland: I think if you're waking up envisioning that or going to bed Yes. And feeling so angsty that you're feeling and checking in the immediate next step is what, peeling that back and what is it?

Yeah. And for me it was getting back to source for me, it was getting back to the reason I came to the planet and realizing that even if that brings me no money, and even if that means I have to cont completely reconfigure my. , I know I have now enough leverage as a human being to restructure how I'm thinking about what is going to bring joy, what feels like it fills my cup.

But it took a lot of squeezing my size, 10 and a half foot on my left foot cuz somehow God gave me like a bigger. Like a toe with like a thing on it. On the left, the right foot's a solid ten.

Kim Gravel: I'm try to laugh at your feet. I've got one boob that's bigger than the other. I've got one foot that's bigger.

You know the whole nine yards, girl. I'm telling you, I'm perfect. Yeah. I don't know what you guys tell. You know what, Zac? You know what Zac? You're in your thirties and honestly, Deal with it.

Zac Miller: It takes a lot of work to look this good.

Kim Gravel: I know.

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Zac Miller: Hey Tracy. I actually have my Zac Attack.

Kim Gravel: Oh, gerd, your loins. Tracy.

Zac Miller: Okay. Zac Attack is a segment we do on the show. Kim has no idea what is coming. And neither do you, Tracy. So, uh, this is our opportunity to have a little bit of fun with our guests. Tracy, I know you are a serial entrepreneur. , right. So I was curious what you would do if you were actually a cereal entrepreneur with a c, like as in cornflakes, like if you owned your own cereal company.

Kim Gravel: Oh my gosh. . Oh my gosh.

Zac Miller: Here's the kicker though. I'm gonna ask Tracy a few questions about her cereal that she is now in development. And I want you to put together a little jingle for her at the end.

Kim Gravel: Oh, singing Lord. Okay. . Oh my gosh. Zac.

Zac Miller: So Kim, remember what I texted you this morning and I was like, Hey, I love for singing on the show today.

And you were like, sure. And I was like, Great. This is why I asked you. Okay.

Kim Gravel: So, so c cereal with a c cereal.

Zac Miller: Okay. Yeah. Okay, so Tracy, I want you to start

Kim Gravel: Tracy. She has to, does she have to name it? Does she have to name it?

Zac Miller: Well, she does. Yeah, so, so pay attention cuz you're gonna have to use this to, to big jigle.

Okay? Okay. Okay. So first, first Tracy. I just wanna note Tracy, do you like cereal? Do you eat cereal? Like cold?

Tracy Holland: I do, but I, yeah, so I'm excited cuz I feel like there's a really big idea in cereal that hasn't been done. So I feel like we see that. ,

Zac Miller: you have an idea. Ok. So Tracy's gonna drop a million dollar cereal idea.

Ok. What's your favorite cereal? What's your favorite cereal right now? What is your favorite cereal?

Tracy Holland: I mean the kids get Honeynut Cheerios, because that's like a little less. But if I were saying if you said tomorrow is Armageddon, I would have Lucky Charms.

Kim Gravel: Oh my God. Me too. Tracy. Lucky Charms are my favorite.

The marshmallows are amazing. Oh my God. Amazing. I love that. I went on magically there's delicious.

Zac Miller: This is so funny. I wanted a road trip last week. I drove like seven hours down to Connecticut. . I stopped at a gas station and was like, I'm gonna get some snacks. I bought myself a box of Lucky Charms, bought some lucky charm, and that's what I ate on the road trip.

You don't even need milk. Yeah. Now we're talking about your, your fake cereal company. Okay. Tracy, what are the main ingredients of your new cereal?

Tracy Holland: Okay, so here's this big idea, okay? For those who have a sugar craving, there's lots of product on the market. Just go to any shelf and you can pick any select, however.

Where I think there's a really juicy, big idea is making a bagel and cream cheese cereal. Salty Ooh, crunchy

Kim Gravel: wow.

Tracy Holland: Sesame deliciousness. So imagine like baby bagels that are crunchy. Okay. And then are they sweet, delicious little? No, I don't think so. They're a little bit like, like, like almost like a little bit like of a, a little bit maybe

Zac Miller: You could do the everything flavor. You could do the salt flavor. You could do, yeah. Yeah. You could do a cinnamon sugar flavor

Tracy Holland: then you have that with your coffee. Yeah. And I think, I think that's the on, I think that's the only way to go is to really have a differentiator.

Kim Gravel: Okay. Okay. So what would you call it though?

What would we call it? Yes.

Zac Miller: Okay, so that was my next question. Okay. Wait, so I have a few other questions, but what, so what do you wanna name it? And just remember that Kim's gonna have to rhyme this.

Kim Gravel: I'm working, I'm working on it.

Tracy Holland: Ooh, it's gonna be called like box of bagels baby or something. Delicious.

Kim Gravel: Ooh, box of bagels.

Zac Miller: Okay. Bagels, baby. Baby bagels. Okay. Yeah,

Kim Gravel: baby Bagel Bagels. Oh my God, my God. Y'all. This is pressure.

Zac Miller: Okay, Kim? Yep. Can you think of just a, a jingle for our baby bagel cereal?

Kim Gravel: I'm gonna try. Let me see. Okay.

Zac Miller: Okay, here we go. Here we go. You're on the spot.

Kim Gravel: Oh my God. Here we go. So you got your baby bagels, you're ready to eat.

Everybody knows that you need some cream cheese, so get your baby bagel. Bye and have a good breakfast. All right? Come on baby bagels with you and me. But don't forget about your cream cheese.

Zac Miller: Whoa.

Kim Gravel: Wow.

Zac Miller: You nailed that. All right. Oh my God. There you go. Thank you for playing today's Zac attack. I love that so much. Tracy. I love that like you are such an entrepreneur that you're like, I have an idea for this. Like, you were on it.

Kim Gravel: She's like, that is Tracy to the t. I love it.

Tracy Holland: We gotta get her rights to all of that

Ause I promise you some bagel places is like, whoa.

Kim Gravel: Some bagel. That's right. Yeah.

We gotta make sure we have it copyrighted before we air this episode. All right. Before we leave, cuz actually Tracy and I actually have a meeting together at three o'clock. I wanna do something. I do every single show, which is called Rapid Fire Questions. Now, Tracy, look, I don't want you thinking about this.

I don't want you like, I just want the first thing that comes into your head comes out your mouth. Done. You're gonna have to pull a Kim. You're gonna have to pull a Kim, because I never, you know, I've never think. I just, okay. Alright, here we go. Woo. I love these. These are good too. What is something that you've always wanted to try and never have?

Tracy Holland: Oh, my. Hydro cleaning on the ocean on one of those above. Ocean surfboard. Thanks.

Kim Gravel: Oh, cool.

Tracy Holland: Will you come do that with me? You've seen those?

Kim Gravel: Are you crazy? I'll, I'll watch you do that,

Zac Miller: Kim. That'll blow up on TikTok .

Kim Gravel: Oh no. That insist you have you and I shape to do all that?

Tracy Holland: No, no. We are going to do this and we are taking a video and this is like I, that's I dream about this.

Kim Gravel: Okay. All right. I'm, I'm down. Okay. Oh, God bless. Talk about balance. Okay. Oh, this is a good one. What, one question would you ask Elon Musk right now if you could? Ooh. Ooh,

All right. This is juicy.

Tracy Holland: I would ask Elon Musk if he would wanna have dinner with me tonight.

Kim Gravel: Let me ask you this. Doesn't he have like a gajillion kids? Does he have a lot of kids? Yeah.

Tracy Holland: No, he does, but here's the. . I feel like once you ask him one question, there's 10 more behind it. So my one question to him would be like, what are you doing?

I'd love to have dinner because I would love the opportunity to ask him so many questions.

Kim Gravel: Well, I will go

Zac Miller: with, by the way, he has, he has eight kids.

Kim Gravel: I know. It's a lot of kids. Yeah. I knew it wasn't what's his name? What's the, it wasn't Nick Cannon Amount, but he was, he was, he was, he was getting Nick Cannon to run for his money.

Zac Miller: How many does Nick Cannon have? Sorry, I don't, I, he's got this, but

Kim Gravel: Nick Cannon has about. What do you value above everything else?

Tracy Holland: Uh, joy.

Kim Gravel: If your house was on fire, what would you grab on the way out? And I've seen your house, so my Choose carefully. Yeah.

Tracy Holland: My book, this thing called You by Ernest Holmes.

Kim Gravel: Ooh. Do I need to read that? Yeah. Okay. What, what do you spend too much time thinking?

Tracy Holland: Ooh, this is a big one. Too much time. I would say probably any time spent thinking about the future or the past is too much time.

Kim Gravel: Ooh, that's a good one. Okay, preach. Oh, that is very good. And totally agree. Uh, what is the most important advice you've ever received?

Tracy Holland: Um, the most important advice I've ever received. , this is a short stint. There's no guarantee of how much time you have left. And make sure that every single day you're doing something that brings you joy and you feel fired up and excited to do.

Kim Gravel: Hmm. Yeah. I think we all should take that. Uh, who's your celebrity crush?

Tracy Holland: Oh my gosh. There are a couple.

Kim Gravel: Um, go ahead and give to me.

Tracy Holland: I would say like if I could meet. Warren Buffet, I would be excited. But he's not really a celebrity crush like hunky punk.

Kim Gravel: And he is very old. He's very old. So I don't know if that would so much be a crush. I think he would be somebody to, yeah, if a business crush, I mean somebody, yeah, business crush.

Tracy Holland: Okay. So he's kind of like a business crush. If you said to me, Tracy Taylor Swift is behind that door and you're gonna get to meet her right now, I'd be excited. I'd be pretty. . I'd be pretty excited.

Kim Gravel: You're a swifty. I am. Okay. What is your F Now tell me the truth now. Don't gimme some oat milk stuff. I don't want all this crap.

I want to hear the real like not. And because earlier you said Lucky charms, if it was Armageddon for the love of God. So just give me like right now. No armada. Just like . Your favorite junk food.

Tracy Holland: Oh my gosh. My favorite junk food is Cheetos. I mean, food though? I feel like that's on the food groups,

Zac Miller: if it dyes your fingers, it's junk.

Kim Gravel: If it dyes your fingers orange. Yeah. So is it, is it, is it the crunchy or the puffs? Because there are two. .

Tracy Holland: It's both, but it's like that cheesiness that le that leftover cheesiness you guys. One time I had the Garrett's popcorn.

Have you had that from Chicago Airport? That Garrett's

Kim Gravel: uh, yeah,

Zac Miller: from Chicago Airport. Sorry, that's very specific.

Tracy Holland: So I ate it on the plane. Yeah, it's like the entire container. And I ate it all the way home. I mean the entire. Right. And I still feel sick.

Kim Gravel: I am telling you it is the best junk food. Every time I'd go tape it, Steve Harvey, he'd give me a bucket of it. And I'm like, thanks Steve. Like I need that.

Tracy Holland: It's so good. It is so good.

Kim Gravel: One last question. Where do you see yourself in 10 years?

Tracy Holland: Hmm, 10 years. I'll be 30.

Zac Miller: All right, thank you very much. Great to see you Tracy, goodbye.

Tracy Holland: Oh my gosh. I mean really like a couple different places in the world doing really big things, helping women succeed and propel, reminding people in large venues. , where they come from, they come from source. There's nothing, it's all inside them.

There's nothing outside them. Everything's inside they need. It's like, that's it. That's what it's gonna be. And it's gonna be fun as hell. Like it's gonna be laughter and joy and you know, craziness and dancing and all of that. That's, that's where I see, and 10 years, I'm gonna look hot as a tamali because you already do.

1. . Well, thank you. And I just feel like we don't have to absorb this whole stigma around age and aging and women like, I'm gonna look 30 forever, ,

Kim Gravel: um, you know, and let's, and let's create that product to help women as well. Let's do that together, you and I.

Tracy Holland: Right? Let's do it. That's what I'm talking about.

Kim Gravel: If we can put bagels in a cereal, we can put the beauty back in age. Okay. We can do it.

Tracy Holland: That's right. I mean, look at Dolly Parton. She is like the most stunning, amazing drop dead hot. Yeah, hunky beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. She is stunning. So we're Dolly. We're right on her coat tails.

Kim Gravel: Let's go, Dolly. I'm down with it.

Let's go. All right, Tracy. Let's do it. I love you.

Tracy Holland: I love you too.

Kim Gravel: How fun was that? We love you, girl.

Oh, Zac, isn't she the She is so successful. Her businesses have been huge. They're huge, huge businesses. Yeah. But she is in the heyday of her life, loving how she's helping all these other women entrepreneurs rise. And I think that's why, you know, she's such an industry leader in that, not only in business, but, and I think what she said to all of.

To all of us women out there and people out there who wanna be successful. And, and it starts with that pure place of joy. You know? And sometimes it starts with, you have to get started with your business cuz you've got no other choice. Either your partner's left or you're broke, or you, you know, got no other choice.

But however it comes to, you just take the first step. And it's, it's not the big step that matters, it's just those little small ones that add up, you know,

Zac Miller: a million percent. Yeah. And I think it's so important that she talks. , you know, she was talking about how it was like hard for her to balance and like, you know, how she wasn't feeling healthy and happy with what she was.

And had to reorient and like that's, I think that's a great lesson for everyone. Like at any level. Yeah.

Kim Gravel: And it's also, uh, basically she was saying it's never over. You can always start again, and nothing is, you can't age out, bag out, wear out or stretch out. You know what I'm saying? It's, it's just beginning.

All right everybody. Thanks so much for watching this episode of LOL with Kim Gravel. Listen, share, subscribe, leave us reviews. Let us know what you think about the show cuz we care about you. This is a community to lift each other up. And thank you so much. Don't forget, live out loud, laugh out loud and love out loud and let's do it together.

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LOL is produced and edited by Zac Miller at Uncommon Audio. Our associate producer is Kathleen Grant, at Brunette Exec, production help from Emily Bredin. Our cover art is designed by Sara Noto. A special thanks to all the team members at QVC plus, and thank you for listening. I love ya.

Zac Miller: Okay. Sorry, my cat is now in front of me . So this is like the other thing that we got to deal with. Kim loves this. She'll be back. Looks like there might be a little bit of schmutz just on your camera. Is there any way you could just take like your sleeve or something and just wipe your camera a little bit and I think it will look better.

Yeah. Hold on.

Kim Gravel: Can I use it a little bit of Schmidt? Yeah. Hold on. Little bit of sch.

Zac Miller: I think it's a little schmutzy smutty that happened.

Kim Gravel: I'm excited about this show.