Kim’s Honest Parenting Lessons: Raising Teens, Setting Boundaries, and Building Connection

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Kim Gravel:

I believe you sometimes have to take life by the throat, y'. All. Let me tell you what my dad used to say. This is a good piece of work. He said, look, when somebody takes a punch at you, punch them back and then extend a hand to help them up.

Zac Miller:

Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Kim Gravel Show. I'm Zac, the show's producer, and this week we are finishing our series where we share the best unreleased, behind the scenes moments from our show. We start with Kim going off script and talking about the interview with that we did with her son Beau. She shares some of her thoughts about how that interview went, what it was like having her son on the show. And then we get into a few other unscripted beats after that. You're not going to want to miss it. Check it out.

Kim Gravel:

Get ready for the Kim Gravel Show. So we had my eldest son, Beau Gravel, on the podcast a couple of days ago, and we did our interview and I was so, like, blown away by a. How he handled himself because he's not an extroverted talker, Zac. I mean, he's kind of like a. You never know what's going on in his mind. And he's like kind of E.F. hutton, because whenever he talks, it's like this profound thing. You're like, what? Like, I don't.

Kim Gravel:

It's so weird, Zac. How do I say this? I don't. Gosh, people are gonna be like, what? I don't understand him.

Zac Miller:

What do you mean you don't understand him?

Kim Gravel:

Right. Like, as a mom, I should know ins and outs everything about my kids. What he's saying, how he's saying it, what he's doing, how he's doing it. But honestly, I'm just gonna fix my little headphones here. I just. I don't get him completely. It's the weirdest thing because there's a lot about him that I can just point fingers and blah, blah, because he's a lot like Travis. But there's some things about him that puzzle me.

Kim Gravel:

That when we did the interview, I had a few aha moments about who he is and how he thinks. Do you feel that way about your kids? I mean, your kids are a lot younger, but do you know what I'm saying? Am I making any sense?

Zac Miller:

I don't feel like I want to. To. I don't feel like I need to. To understand them. And maybe it's because, like, look, he's. Beau's a lot older than my kids, right? So it's harder to relate to, like a four year Old at that level, I think.

Kim Gravel:

Well, I just. I. I don't know how to explain it. Maybe I'm not making myself. Maybe I'm using the wrong verbiage, maybe using the wrong words. I just. The way he thinks is, you know, I mean, you can't be any closer to a human being than your children. They come through your body, right? So they even say scientifically that the DNA is still.

Kim Gravel:

His cells are still in my body and Blanton's, too. But we're talking about Beau right here. But it's. It's the things he said kind of blew my mind. Like, the way he. It showed me how he thought. And, you know, I've always been a helicopter parent, and I am in full favor of helicopter parenting. Just want to let everybody know.

Kim Gravel:

And you can write in. I don't give a rip. I'm telling you right now, in today's world, you better be on top of them. You better be looking at everything in their phone. You better be tracking them on Life360. And I'll tell you why you do it. You helicopter over things that matter, not things that don't, not if they do their laundry or not in college, but who they're hanging out with and where they're hanging out, right? So there is more at stake today in today's world, with the Internet and what's coming for these kids and what they can see on their phones and what they can get, who they can get access to at any time to not know what's going on. And people just take the phones away.

Kim Gravel:

Well, okay, good luck with that. Like, that's, like, to me, that's not a logical solution. Not when you're just taking yourself away.

Zac Miller:

Completely and you're driving and doing stuff like, the phone. You need the phone. Wait, I have a question about this, Kim, Because. Okay, so let's say. Let's say, for the sake of argument, just to make something up, Beau goes out and he. You know, he starts hanging out with, like, a crowd you don't like. He starts hanging out with some kids that you don't like. Okay, what do you do? Like, because as.

Zac Miller:

Like, how do you actually get him to stop or do anything about it? Because I feel like a lot of times you try to do that and you push your teenagers away, and then it gets worse.

Kim Gravel:

You say no. You say no. If, if, if. I mean, I can't tell you how many times my kids have said to me, I hate you. Good. Then I'm doing my job.

Zac Miller:

You're okay. Being that bad guy. Are you the bad guy? Is Travis the bad guy? Are you the bad guy? Are you the bad guy?

Kim Gravel:

Travis and I both are bad guys, okay? We don't do good cop, bad cop. We just cops, okay? And cops run the show. They pull you over, they need to see your driver's license and registration. We're just cops, okay? So we gonna keep the rules and we gonna try. But this is the whole thing. Kids are dying for boundaries. And this is about Beau Beau's gonna kill me for saying this. I don't care.

Kim Gravel:

He's probably not even gonna watch it, but all his friends will. But listen, this is Beau Beau's. Like, he'll come in, he'll huff and puff. I don't wanna talk about it. And I know in Beau world that means I wanna talk about it, but that also means you shut up, Mom. Cause believe it or not, I'm a Chatty Cathy, and I like to tell everybody what to do. So I have to sit there for. Really? He wants to talk.

Kim Gravel:

He wants me to listen. I have had to learn that recently, Zac.

Zac Miller:

Oh, to just listen and not give advice. Not try to fix it.

Kim Gravel:

Listen, I'm going to talk about this major trend we should do on the show. We listen and we don't judge. So I have found the more I just shut it down and keep my mouth shut. Inside, I'm dying. Okay? There's something that happened recently. I won't tell all the info because, you know, it's too fresh. And I don't want this to come out and bow, but. And I was just, like, going, oh, my God.

Kim Gravel:

I was wanting to tell him exactly how to act and how to be and who this person is, and you better get away from all of that. But I didn't. It was a girl. I just kind of just sat there and was like, okay, all right. And I just had to watch him come to the realization himself.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

And. And that's not normally how I roll.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

So I've learned how to helicopter Zac in a little bit more of a not so aggressive way.

Zac Miller:

So you're not. You're in the helicopter. You're not landing on the landing strip, but you're in the land.

Kim Gravel:

I'm a land. When I got to land. You know what I'm saying?

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Zac Miller:

You're in the vicinity.

Kim Gravel:

Who you gonna go run and run the streets with? I'm landing there. Okay. But if you have a squabble with a girl or a friend, I'm gonna let you kind of figure that Out. I could tell you how to just shut that down and handle it, but there's some things that they got to learn and fall on the hard way. And let me tell y' all something. When I'm sitting here talking about being a parent, I am so ill equipped, it's not even funny. Like, there's some things that I would consider myself an expert at. Right? There's some things that I can really say, you know, I pretty much, you need to do what I tell you to do, because it's gonna work.

Kim Gravel:

Parenting is not one of them. I am still growing as Beau. Being on the episode the other day, I just was. I just was like, I learned something about my son. You know what I learned?

Zac Miller:

What?

Kim Gravel:

I learned that he listened more than I thought.

Zac Miller:

Oh, like, he. Right. You didn't know if it was getting through.

Kim Gravel:

Correct.

Zac Miller:

And more is getting through than you thought.

Kim Gravel:

I'm aggressive people.

Zac Miller:

Yeah, we know that.

Kim Gravel:

I'm the type of person. You want me in that corner when you're in the ring, you want me. I'm not gonna be Rocky, but I'm gonna be. What was the guy's name? What was the old coach's name? Oh, yeah, the little beanie.

Zac Miller:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know who you're talking.

Kim Gravel:

What's his name?

Zac Miller:

I forget his name. Oh, that's killing me.

Kim Gravel:

Look it up, Zac.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Zac Miller:

Okay.

Kim Gravel:

Because that is my Mickey. Yeah, Mickey. Mickey. I'm Mickey.

Zac Miller:

So wait, so if I was like, Kim, cut me, cut me, you would.

Kim Gravel:

I cut your tail so hard, you'd be bleeding out.

Zac Miller:

I hope people.

Kim Gravel:

Because I truly believe. I believe you sometimes have to take life by the throat, y'. All. You gotta take it by the throat. You can't be. I say it. Life is how you make it, not how you take it. You're going to take shots.

Kim Gravel:

That's how life is going to come at you. But it's like, can you throw punches back or can you swerve? Can you bob and, you know, move and get out the way that is? You know? And maybe that's why I'm a perfect boy mom. Or I'm a good boy mom. I'm not perfect, but, like, probably with little girls, I would make them, like, just beat the crap out of them, you know, like. But I'm not saying that physically, but I'm saying if somebody takes a shot at you, you do turn the other cheek now to. If they take another shot, give them a moment. Give them. Give them one moment of grace.

Zac Miller:

Do you think?

Kim Gravel:

Let me tell you what my dad used to say, this is a good piece of work. He said, look, when somebody takes a punch at you, punch him back and then extend the hand to help him up. That's what I'm trying to say. And I don't mean punch physicality. I'm not sitting here talking about actual, like, fighting. But what I'm saying is, is that in life you have to toot your own horn. You have to know and believe and see and visualize and understand that you were fearfully and wonderfully made. What someone says about you says more about them.

Kim Gravel:

That says about you. This preacher once said, what Peter says about Paul says more about Peter than it says about Paul.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

So how you feel about yourself is really what you're held accountable for. You can't control what everybody else does anyway, but you can control and you can really monitor and you can live out of the place of your divine purpose. Let me tell you something. God does not make junk. If you are here, if it is because you are made in his image. And for those of you who do not believe, it doesn't matter, because he believes in you. And you might say, kim, who is this older woman with a big fat tail that's in. That's in Georgia, in the south, always talking about God.

Kim Gravel:

Let me tell you what you can't tell me. You can't tell me he's not real. And you can't tell me he's not in control. And you cannot tell me that he doesn't have a plan for you, because I've lived it. I'm an expert in that. I've experienced his miraculous hand. I've experienced his blessing. I've experienced his divine intervention in my life.

Kim Gravel:

So I know if he'll do it for me, he'll do it for you. And you say, kim, how do I get there? Ask and you shall receive. Give and it shall be given unto you, pressed down, shaken together and running over. Just try him. Just taste and see that he is good. Just try it. That I'm an expert on. You will never talk me out of that.

Kim Gravel:

You will never convince me otherwise. I know what I'm talking about, Willis. I mean, you could call it preaching, you can call it whatever. That's what I saw in my son. He's listening.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Zac Miller:

It's going through. Would you say then that God. God is your helicopter parent?

Kim Gravel:

Yes. And I want him right there buzzing over me every step of the way. Great question, Zac. Okay. Bravo, Zac.

Zac Miller:

Thank you.

Zac Miller:

Thank you. Let's just. Let's have a moment. For. No.

Kim Gravel:

Celebrate that. No, but I'm serious. And I want people to understand, Zac, that it's that simple. We complicate the dookie out of it. It is that simple.

Zac Miller:

Okay, wait. But I do, actually. You saying all of that has made me sort of come to this realization. I think helicopter parenting has this bad rap, and I think there's this idea of the bulldozer parent, right. Who's, like, removing all the obstacles for their kids. And I think that it sounds.

Kim Gravel:

I've been guilty of that for sure.

Zac Miller:

Sure. I mean, we all do that to some extent, but it seems to me like you're helicoptering, but to try to lift him up.

Kim Gravel:

I'm helicoptering because I want what I say to be louder than what everyone else is saying to him. Social media, friends, bad influences, porn. Y' all don't even know the porn epidemic that's going on with young men and young women, but young men all over the place. It is destroying the American family. It is destroying these young men. It is a false sense of relationship. I'm telling you, I've heard it from men. I've heard it from young men.

Kim Gravel:

I've heard it from parents. I'm telling you, it is a killer.

Zac Miller:

Yeah. I can't even imagine. Honestly, I remember when I was 15 or whatever, right? And, like, this is like, AOL dial up days, and it would be like, oh, let's go, like, find a dirty picture on the Internet. And then it would be like, loading.

Zac Miller:

Burp, burp, burp, burp, burp.

Zac Miller:

And it was like, how about in.

Kim Gravel:

My day, they were just in comparison.

Zac Miller:

Compared to what there is now? I mean, and it was.

Kim Gravel:

Yeah, yeah. But, Zac, everything, everything. What I'm saying is you have to be a helicopter parent or a helicopter aunt or grandmother or whatever, because they're helicopter. They're like fighter jets coming for them, right?

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Zac Miller:

Do you think it's harder now to be a teenager? Like, way harder than 14?

Kim Gravel:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Heck, yeah.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

Just from a comparison standpoint alone.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

Just from. Just from having to look at what everybody else is doing and has and says and looks like, you know, do.

Zac Miller:

You think you'd be, like, a totally different person if you grew up now instead of when you grew up? Like, would you have been able to.

Kim Gravel:

Zac, I probably would have taken over the world. God knew what he was doing, because I'd have flipping love social media. I was. You know, I would have loved putting out content. Now I'm like, if you have to ask me, do another Freaking V video. I'm going to knock you into next week. That's how I mean I'm viscerally feel and I'm not the only one out of my generation that feels that way. But I want to tell you something.

Kim Gravel:

Get to know social media, get to know these platforms. Go through your children, grandchildren's text, go through their social media, find out the apps they hide crap under because they are and they do and what I've said, I tell you what scares me. So what does it scare me? I'm gonna, I'm take that back. Taking that back. What. Where I see the fallible, harmful things that are coming for our kids. Because I'm not scared. Because I know who's on my side but, and I know who's equipped me for the fight.

Kim Gravel:

But I will say it's subtle and everybody's doing it, but we, we are not talking about these kids and what they face and what they're going to be like when they're 35. Some of this stuff you can't come back from. Think about this, y'.

Zac Miller:

All.

Kim Gravel:

What you put in your mind and what your eyes see and what goes into your mind is there forever. It's not how can I delete it? Your mind's the ultimate computer.

Zac Miller:

Right.

Kim Gravel:

It's how can I live with it and overcome it? And those kids are having to do that a lot sooner. And it's scary. Let me, let me just say this. And I don't know, whatever you want to think about this, just this human trafficking alone is a, I think it's, they said over a billion dollar business now. Well, who's buying that? Who's looking at it? If that, if that's such a huge supply and demand people, I'm in business. It's, it's deeper, it's darker, it's realer than, you know, get involved, crank your helicopter up, gas it up and let's go. I can always see the, the, the, the, you know, the rainbow through the rain. Okay.

Kim Gravel:

Like I always can be that person. But I, I, I'm very, I'm a realistic and I, I'm telling you as raising two teenage boys in today's world, it's a, it's a hard job if you even remotely try to do it the right way. And I was very, very, very, very proud of Beau on the show because he was his real self. That Beau, don't fake it. Yeah, not my youngest one. He's a little yada yada yada, you.

Zac Miller:

Know, he's a little, he's like.

Kim Gravel:

He's more like my family. Okay. Yeah, we're a little bit more out there.

Zac Miller:

Beau struck me as, like, you know, he has that entrepreneurial spirit, but he doesn't. He's not, like, trying to sell you something. He's not, like, trying to convince you that he is something that he's not. He's just. He hasn't put on airs, which is refreshing.

Kim Gravel:

I said it in the interview. Y' all need to go listen to it. But a young man, an older guy that was a senior last year came. Came up to him. Well, came up to me first and said, you know why everybody really likes Beau? And I was like, oh, why? And Beau's not like, the popular kid. You know what I'm saying? He's not Mr. High School. Yeah, but everybody knows Beau.

Kim Gravel:

They call him bow time. They always say it's bow time. The bow Time game. But. And he said, you know why they do that? This. This teenager came up to. I said, no. Why? It was weird.

Kim Gravel:

It was. It was very unsolicited. He said, because he does not give two rips what people think about him now. That's his father. Yeah, I really don't care either, but I care more. I would never want you to think ill of me, you know, bad about me. Beau doesn't really care.

Zac Miller:

Yeah, that's like. That's. To me, like, I. I'm someone. Like, I'm a people pleaser, right? So I always want to be liked. I always want to be liked.

Kim Gravel:

We all want to be liked. I think everybody wants to be liked. But you can't be.

Zac Miller:

Don't. Yeah, but some people are just like, yeah, whatever.

Kim Gravel:

Beau don't care. Yeah, you don't.

Zac Miller:

Yeah, I wish I had more of that. Like, I'm. I'm learning to have more.

Kim Gravel:

Like, I've seen. I've seen adults say things to him that I would have, A, died on the inside and B, knock their lights out. And. But. And I say, I, I, I. I will say, bo, that didn't bother you. I mean, things. Beau's been through it, and he said, I don't respect them, so I don't care what they say.

Kim Gravel:

Look at them. I'm like, oh, God, that hurt.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Zac Miller:

That's brutal.

Kim Gravel:

Now, when Beau will fully become Beau Gravel, the man of God, who he's called him to be is when he can look at those people and say, I don't really respect you, so I really don't care what you say. When you can confront that demon and you can Face it head on and be real with it. But God bless you when Beau can go. You know what? Coach so and so. I really don't respect what you say because of A, B, C and D. So I really. That's your opinion. But God bless you when he can do that.

Kim Gravel:

Might be Beauugerville for president. I don't know.

Zac Miller:

Well, you're saying something that I feel like we're taught to never do. Like you can't disrespect a teacher or a coach in high school like that.

Kim Gravel:

Always. No, I didn't say disrespect. Always challenge authority. Always challenge authority. Never believe everything everybody tells you. I don't care how many degrees, PhDs, DTRs, whatever they got by in their name, always challenge authority.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

Even if you're wrong, challenge authority. Always.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

Remember, there is I in team. People said there's no I in team. Bull crap. There's nothing. If you don't come with your full self to the team, you ain't gon be. You're gonna be a half baked, half cocked, half person going in. In a marriage, you need to come as your full self. There's nobody that completes you.

Kim Gravel:

You come completed and then they partner. There is no you complete me. The only thing that can ever complete you is the Lord. Period. Now that's a whole nother podcast. We might have to talk about that on another day.

Zac Miller:

I think we're gonna have to.

Kim Gravel:

Because that, that is, that is honestly, that is your ultimate. You want to feel whole, complete, and ready for what this world has to offer, then you get with the Lord, you get with God. But there is an eye in team. There is a call for you. There is a moment where I'm going to say moments where your life will show up for you and you will say, aha. I get it. I'm telling you, there's something out there for you. If you are not dead, you are not done.

Kim Gravel:

And there's something more for you. And I saw it when I was interviewing Beau. I thought, wow, what's God got for this boy? And I'm gonna talk to more teens, I'm gonna talk to more teens and see where they come from. This is how we should be having open dialogues. You should be. We should be. We should be celebrating the people of wisdom, the older people in our. In our world, everything.

Kim Gravel:

We should be. We are community. We need each other.

Zac Miller:

All right, great.

Zac Miller:

Okay, so let's do some. I know. You have like a couple minutes left.

Kim Gravel:

That was good, Zac.

Zac Miller:

That was great. Let's do something. Let's do something, like, timely. Let's talk about the wildfires.

Kim Gravel:

Oh, I'm. I'm. I'm heavy. These wildfires in California have just. They've just taken me for a loop, Zac. I mean, you're in California. You're nowhere near the wildfires, but, yeah, yeah, we're safe. Are you reading and seeing all of this?

Zac Miller:

I stayed up until like, two in the morning just watching videos and seeing what people were saying, and I just. I'm kind of gutted. Like, that's a good thing. Burning to the ground right now.

Kim Gravel:

To the ground.

Zac Miller:

Terrifying.

Kim Gravel:

Well, I have so many friends who've lost everything.

Zac Miller:

Same. Yeah. We have colleagues who have lost, like, you know.

Kim Gravel:

Yeah. I mean, I've got people. I mean, honestly. And it's not stopping. I mean, there's zero containment. I want to say this. We are praying for everyone in California. But, y', all, we're going to have to do more than just pray this.

Kim Gravel:

We're going to have to really take action when this gets. And I'm just praying that God just sends a rainstorm and just handles it, because, you know, with a. With a swipe of his hand, he can. But I want to say, when this is all said and done, schools, churches, businesses, homes. I mean, it's communities, Zac. It's not just a home or two. It's like wiping out communities.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Zac Miller:

It's. When it's like. Like exactly what you just said. All the schools are gone in Pacific Palace States. The high school.

Kim Gravel:

What are you gonna do? What are you going to do with these children?

Zac Miller:

The elementary school's gone. Beauth the supermarkets are gone. The main street's gone. I like. How do you come back from that?

Kim Gravel:

We're gonna come back. Cause you know what? We're gonna come back because that's who we are as people in this country. I mean, we are divided half the time, and we disagree on a lot of things, but there's one things that we do when the going gets tough. We are people of faith in the end, and we are. We will stand together.

Zac Miller:

How do you feel about.

Kim Gravel:

That's what I really. That's what I hope for, and that's what I've seen over and over and over again. When tragedy strikes this nation, how do.

Zac Miller:

You feel about all these people who are commenting on all these posts and they're like, oh, these are just rich people and celebrities and it's, you know, it's Malibu and it's Pacific Palisade.

Kim Gravel:

It's social media. Okay. I mean, yeah.

Zac Miller:

Yeah, I think it's hard. It's like, why. Why does it feel like it dehumanizes us? Why does it feel like we are so unable to see other people and just be like, yeah, you're a human who's going through something terrible. Like, I can be cool about that.

Kim Gravel:

Well, I mean, but I don't try to focus on that. You know, if you focused on all the dip do's, I mean, your whole life would be consumed with, like, shallowness. We have to look at the bigger picture here. And, I mean, I have a friend that's going through it right now, Tracy. She is in the midst of it. She's lost her house, her kids and her are in a hotel and her whole world is upside down and. And I check in on her, I've called her, we talked last night. And you know, she's strong.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

And she's processing. And she's a single. Basically a single mom. And she's gonna get through it.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

And we're all gonna help that. That's the beauty of the beauty from the ashes. Oh, yeah. Lord help. This is gonna trigger people too. But the beautiful thing about tragedy is that if we'll let it, beauty can come from it.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

If we'll allow it. Now, we're too early on in this wildfire situation to even be speaking about that. So if that is a little too tender, then turn this off. But I do know that there's going to be a lot of work to be done and we need to continue to pray, but we also need to be purposeful in helping rebuild. And we will. We will not. They will. We will.

Zac Miller:

Okay, next topic. Kim, ready? I'm just going to turn it 180 on you right now. Ready?

Kim Gravel:

Uh oh, what are we talking about now?

Zac Miller:

Do you think TikTok should be banned?

Kim Gravel:

No, I love TikTok. And I know that sounds bad, but I love it.

Zac Miller:

Just because you love it. What if it's. What if the, you know, they're spying on you, Kim. What if they don't think about it?

Kim Gravel:

What are you talking about? Really, Zac? I mean, I have an iPhone, everybody's spying on me.

Zac Miller:

I got my tinfoil hat on, Kim.

Kim Gravel:

If I can say. If I can say, you know, support bra, and there's four ads pop in and six emails come to my email list about, you know, you know, minimizing sports bras, then I'm going to come on.

Zac Miller:

But you already believe our phones are listening to us.

Kim Gravel:

Yes. That's why for years I Would not put Alexa all through my house.

Zac Miller:

Oh, do you have it now?

Kim Gravel:

I have them in every room. I love it. And you know why? Because Mom's like, momo teacher, and I ain't going to have no Alexa telling me. I'm like, mom, they're already listening to you on your phone. She goes, okay, well, give me one. And now I gave her Alexa. She loves it. And I love AI too.

Kim Gravel:

I love AI.

Zac Miller:

What do you think? Okay, what do you think AI is going to be like in like 10 years? What do you hope it's like? What do you want AI to do for you?

Kim Gravel:

The beautiful thing about AI and everybody's like, robots are gonna take over the world. Not if we don't let them. Let me tell you something. AI can't create. This is really coming back to okay again. Connection is everywhere. We can connect on our phones, on apps, on all of that, but we're so disconnected. Even more so.

Kim Gravel:

But human connection, that is a skill now. That is an absolute skill to be able to have conversation and connect with a human being in person. That there's. There's going to be an epidemic one day called in a disease called social dysfunction. It's coming. I see it in young people because they don't know how to talk and be in person. And I mean, tell me about killing my boy.

Zac Miller:

These young people, and they're like, they're terrified of phone. How to be Kim. They don't know how to, like, order at a restaurant properly. What is happening?

Kim Gravel:

Well, I will tell you, my oldest son has had to deal with that recently. Like, just having conversation in the people he was having a conversation with. They were just like, they were just devastated. They don't know how to act. They don't know how to talk. He's like, lord, help. I can't. I can't get to know somebody.

Kim Gravel:

Don't know how to talk.

Zac Miller:

Yeah.

Kim Gravel:

Because I make my kids talk. I make them go up to people and talk. I make them. You want a sucker at the bank, Go ask for it. I ain't getting you a sucker. Go get your own. Like, that's how we grew up. Because I'm my parents daughter.

Kim Gravel:

But social dysfunction is going to be a disease. They don't know how to be socially. But again, that's going to be a commodity. There's a business for somebody right there. Teach people how to talk and interview and be. Etiquette's coming back. People teaching etiquette is coming back.

Zac Miller:

I love it. That was great. That was great. This is gonna this is great. I'm loving this. Okay.

Kim Gravel:

Zac Miller is the Executive Producer of the Kim Gravel Show. His production company is Uncommon Audio. Our Producer is Kathleen Grant, the Brunette Exec. Production help from Emily Bredin and Sara Noto. Our cover art is designed by Sanaz Huber at Memarian Creative. Our show is edited by Mike Kligerman. Our guest intros are performed by Roxy Reese. Our guest booking is done by Central Talent Booking. Our ads are furnished by True Native Media. And y'all, I want to give a big huge thank you to the entire team at QVC+ and a special thank you to our audience for making this community so strong. If you are still listening then you must have liked a few episodes along the way. So tell somebody about it. Tell somebody about this show and join our mailing list at kimgravelshow.com. I cannot do this show without you and so I thank you from the bottom of my heart for listening. I hope you gain a little bit of encouragement, light and love love from watching and listening to The Kim Gravel Show. I love you all so much. Till next time. Bye.